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Reply #3 - Apr 12th, 2014 at 10:23pm
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So can anyone actually specifically identify the component of the trigger system that needs checking?

All the American forums are awash with people buying Timneys when it's nothing more than the possibility of some excess thread locker.
  

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Bugga mines come up positive Sad we know how the Americans are with litigation what's the chances really that it's a problem. Undecided
  

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Reply #5 - Apr 13th, 2014 at 5:52am
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Have stickied this.. good on them for checking

This only affects

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Reply #6 - Apr 13th, 2014 at 6:05am
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That serial number checker is full of shite.

I just checked two factory 700P's with the remington factory LE adjustable trigger (with the ribbed shoe) and they came up as being affected by the recall.
  
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Reply #7 - Apr 13th, 2014 at 6:08am
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So, on another note - who to send to in New Zealand?

I have three, none brought at the same shop or in the same part of New Zealand for that matter.  What a pain in the arse if they have to go back to the point of sale!

What happens for second-owner firearms?

Or - is this going to be a typical NZ distributor cover-up - Oh, no problem with the ones shipped to NZ; we've checked!
  
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Reply #8 - Apr 13th, 2014 at 7:50am
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Remington's NZ distributor is Outdoor Brands NZ Ltd 09 582 0818
  
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Reply #9 - Apr 13th, 2014 at 2:45pm
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mauser308 wrote on Apr 13th, 2014 at 6:08am:
So, on another note - who to send to in New Zealand?

I have three, none brought at the same shop or in the same part of New Zealand for that matter.  What a pain in the arse if they have to go back to the point of sale!

What happens for second-owner firearms?

Or - is this going to be a typical NZ distributor cover-up - Oh, no problem with the ones shipped to NZ; we've checked!


Someone has said elsewhere that on completing the forms Remington will send you post paid packaging to ship them to the repairer they have selected.

  
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Reply #11 - Apr 13th, 2014 at 9:10pm
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Do we have the repairer yet?  If in NZ, not so much hassle - perfect timing for the roar however isn't it?
  
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Reply #12 - Apr 14th, 2014 at 5:19am
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Got some more info from the NZ distributor....

Don't panic. Its an American cover their ass press release. Basically all they know is that its likely to be excess loctite which would cause the trigger to not function. So if your rifle shoots ok, its going to be ok. However, they have asked Remington for more info and will put out a notice in all hunting press once they know more.
  
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Reply #13 - Apr 14th, 2014 at 7:23am
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Cryj Cry Cry

whua whua whuaaaa...

too bad aye, too much loctite aye.
put my number in...
YOU RIFLE IS EFFECTED BY THE RECALL.

So I sent them an email explaining my particular situation.

ya see, all that extra glue everyone else got, well mine got none!
my trigger mech fell apart! Thankfully good ole scott trail managed to fix it all up for me.
That was about 3 years ago. Its one ragged hole...
its not leaving my sight!
oh yeah that and wouldnt be covered as it has now been modified.

  

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will you keep us informed cambo,
thanks Smiley
  
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Reply #15 - Apr 14th, 2014 at 10:26pm
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I guess the answer there is ditch the bloody useless XMP triggers.  No more problem, ever...

Seriously, for a modern production rifle could they fit a worse trigger?  A little bit of oil or fat on your finger and you can't get a grip on the thing.  Or, you do and snap the trigger right off at the poxy little adjustment screw that really doesn't achieve a lot...  Saving grace, is the usual one up the front of the trigger housing does it's job!l!

I'll be watching to see what the NZ agents do with this, and who gets the work.
  
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When/If I hear anymore I'll definately post it up
  
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Re: Remington Model 7 and Model 700 Recall
Reply #17 - Apr 15th, 2014 at 6:58pm
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More from Remington....

When visiting http://xmprecall.remington.com/ to check the status of your Remington Model 700 or Model Seven rifle, do not complete the contact form if you are outside of the United States. Further instructions will be provided to handle the return if your rifle is affected by this voluntary recall.
  
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Reply #18 - Apr 15th, 2014 at 9:03pm
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OMG OMG OMG my rifle ive had for ages has glue on it because remington are doing an ass covering exercise OMG OMG OMG I have to return my rifle!!!! Cheesy Grin

OMG what am I to do? Shocked

  

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Buy a Tikka in 7mm08 and consume 2 latte's... Roll Eyes
  
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Reply #20 - May 3rd, 2014 at 10:58pm
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My M700 has an XMP trigger, but I won't be bothering with this recall even if there is a real need. I find the trigger so bad and unadjustable that I had already decided on a Timney replacement. There's a reason that so many US shooters are doing the same - Timneys are great value, smooth, break cleanly and can be adjusted to break at lower pressures.

I wonder whether it would have been cheaper for Remington to just use a good, VFM off the shelf trigger in the first place? I for one would pay a bit more for a Remington if it had a Timney factory fitted.
  
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Reply #21 - May 11th, 2014 at 2:41am
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Rem already has a trigger as good or better than the Timney, they are fitted to the 700P (police) model rifles - it's the 40x trigger.

A bloody shame you can't get them in NZ, but the Timney or similar aftermarket is the next best thing...  As to why Remington doesn't fit the 40x to every rifle, good question as you say it would be worth it even as a couple of hundy option...
  
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Reply #22 - Jun 7th, 2014 at 3:24am
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Latest from Remington....
http://xmprecall.remington.com/pdfs/intl-recall-notice.pdf

Looks like they will be replacing the triggers. Need to contact Outdoor Brands to get them by the sounds.

Outdoor Brands 09 582 0818
  
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Reply #23 - Jun 19th, 2014 at 5:49am
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Message from Gunworks regarding the Remington recall......

We are the South Island agents for the REMINGTON RECALL

See if your Model 700™ or Model Seven™ Rifle is affected
http://xmprecall.remington.com/

You must then type in your rifle serial number, you will then be asked what country you are in, select New Zealand, this will then refer you to the New Zealand Remington Recall website. Remington NZ will then send you a PDF form to fill out and they will contact you when your trigger replacement is available

If you are in the South Island you will then be referred to us, however
you must do this process first.


Note : If your trigger has this mark (as per the picture) on the bolt release then your trigger has already been replaced

  
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Who is the Nth Isl gunsmith handling this?
  
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Reply #25 - Jun 24th, 2014 at 8:20am
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Unsure sorry.
Still not having any luck getting anything out of Outdoor Brands.

Try ringing them on (09) 582 0818 and see how you get on.
  
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Yip, give them a ring and talk to Chris.  I had already entered my serial number some time ago so it wouldn't let me go any further, talked to Chris and he sorted it. Had no problems getting hold of him.
  
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Rung Outdoor Brands today, talked to Chris - seemed to be very good to deal with.  Explained the other factors that need to be lined up for this fault to occur and what was going on, on the faulted rifle for this recall to happen.

Seems it stems from one US fella who apparently has a few vids on Youtube which explains the background. 

Of more interest, they are working on sourcing 40x-type Remington target/tactical triggers.  Several problems solved at once considering the limitations of the XMP-type...
  
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Reply #28 - Jun 27th, 2014 at 12:47am
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Just the usual BS in the USA where everyone wants to sue everyone. They’ve gone recall bonkers!

Here’s a bit of background for you. Some guy in the US had his rifle discharge when he put the safety off. He made a Youtube video, did some more testing and found it only happened occasionally in extreme cold. The issue was over zealous Loctite application on the adjustment screws by some muppet at the factory, some of which ended up between the trigger blade itself and the housing. We have seen this in the odd trigger now and then, and across all brands, not just Remington. In the USA case, in extreme cold temperatures, this Loctite stiffened up to the extent it occasionally wouldn’t allow the return spring to push the trigger blade back under the sear in the cocked position. If you closed the bolt with the safety on and the trigger didn’t catch the sear, when you flicked the safety off the rifle would discharge. 

Over here most shooters close the bolt then apply the safety, so we generally don’t put ourselves in a position where a sticky trigger blade could cause an accidental discharge. The worst we would notice is it would fail to co*k now and then. And we generally don’t get the extreme cold temperatures that gum up the excess Loctite. There has never been an incident like this recorded across all the Remington 700s sold in Australasia.

The simple, easy fix for the tiny percentage of triggers across all brands that are exhibiting a sticky trigger return, is to clean out the excess Loctite! But in the litigation crazy USA Remington’s lawyers have told them to recall all late model Rem 700s with the X-Mark Pro trigger and replace the rifles with a new exactly the same but with the tiny punch mark on the bolt release X-Mark Pro trigger rather than risk a lawsuit. And that silly decision has been forced on Remington agents throughout the world, including NZ.

Now the first thing we do when we adjust a trigger, is clean all debris including excess Loctite out of the mechanism, as should any reputable gunsmith. So if you’ve had your trigger adjusted, you won’t have this issue anyway.

Personally, if I was in the slightest worried about this, I would firstly see if my rifle had a sticky trigger return. Lift your bolt handle up, pull your trigger backwards, then see if the trigger springs back freely when you release it. You should feel it move back, then spring forward, and there should be even a little sideways movement. If it feels bound up and you need to return the trigger shoe forward manually, then you have something binding it up which may be Loctite, but is just as likely to be leaves and twigs if it’s a hunting rifle. Either strip it and clean it yourself if you know what you are doing, or take it to a reputable gunsmith. Or go through the silly recall process and get a replacement trigger, with all the down time that will entail and then have to have it adjusted again afterwards!

Common sense goes out the door when lawyers get involved…
  
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Reply #29 - Jun 27th, 2014 at 7:31am
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Yep, that was the gist of it.  I can't quite work out how Loctite stiffens, once it sets it tends to be fairly stiff in consistency.  Rather like concrete you might say...

I would suspect some temperature related issue with the clearances would also be a factor here.

It's a shame about the smooth blade on the XMP, it's the main factor that makes me dislike them.  So far, once they are set I can't really tell any difference between the Timney and the 40x types.
  
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thanks for that exellent post Greg, as my rem trigger has been lightened by Dean Maisey I for one wont be  getting a new trigger installed.
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Reply #31 - Jul 7th, 2014 at 2:59pm
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Greg Duley, NZ Hunter wrote on Jun 27th, 2014 at 12:47am:
Just the usual BS in the USA where everyone wants to sue everyone. They’ve gone recall bonkers!

Here’s a bit of background for you. Some guy in the US had his rifle discharge when he put the safety off. He made a Youtube video, did some more testing and found it only happened occasionally in extreme cold. The issue was over zealous Loctite application on the adjustment screws by some muppet at the factory, some of which ended up between the trigger blade itself and the housing. We have seen this in the odd trigger now and then, and across all brands, not just Remington. In the USA case, in extreme cold temperatures, this Loctite stiffened up to the extent it occasionally wouldn’t allow the return spring to push the trigger blade back under the sear in the cocked position. If you closed the bolt with the safety on and the trigger didn’t catch the sear, when you flicked the safety off the rifle would discharge. 

Over here most shooters close the bolt then apply the safety, so we generally don’t put ourselves in a position where a sticky trigger blade could cause an accidental discharge. The worst we would notice is it would fail to co*k now and then. And we generally don’t get the extreme cold temperatures that gum up the excess Loctite. There has never been an incident like this recorded across all the Remington 700s sold in Australasia.

The simple, easy fix for the tiny percentage of triggers across all brands that are exhibiting a sticky trigger return, is to clean out the excess Loctite! But in the litigation crazy USA Remington’s lawyers have told them to recall all late model Rem 700s with the X-Mark Pro trigger and replace the rifles with a new exactly the same but with the tiny punch mark on the bolt release X-Mark Pro trigger rather than risk a lawsuit. And that silly decision has been forced on Remington agents throughout the world, including NZ.

Now the first thing we do when we adjust a trigger, is clean all debris including excess Loctite out of the mechanism, as should any reputable gunsmith. So if you’ve had your trigger adjusted, you won’t have this issue anyway.

Personally, if I was in the slightest worried about this, I would firstly see if my rifle had a sticky trigger return. Lift your bolt handle up, pull your trigger backwards, then see if the trigger springs back freely when you release it. You should feel it move back, then spring forward, and there should be even a little sideways movement. If it feels bound up and you need to return the trigger shoe forward manually, then you have something binding it up which may be Loctite, but is just as likely to be leaves and twigs if it’s a hunting rifle. Either strip it and clean it yourself if you know what you are doing, or take it to a reputable gunsmith. Or go through the silly recall process and get a replacement trigger, with all the down time that will entail and then have to have it adjusted again afterwards!

Common sense goes out the door when lawyers get involved…


A friend had the first Remington 700 SPS model in 30-06 and had this problem you describe many years ago.
He experienced a AD some times when taking off the safety and even after he got it fixed at a gunsmith, he didn't manage to trust it and at the end sold the gun.
  
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Reply #33 - Dec 6th, 2014 at 12:24am
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Recall to cover ALL 700's made since 1962.
Need to wait and see what plans Outdoor Brands has now......
  
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Reply #36 - Sep 13th, 2015 at 12:08am
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I have two M700 .  They both shoot very well....1"m.o.a plus or often minus.  I purchased  2 timney triggers and had a local gunsmith install them.  I did not want the aggravation of having to remove my scopes and have some factory gorilla monkeying with my rifles.  I do not like the remington x mark pro trigger, but i am very  happy the the timneys.

i recently bought a new rifle.  I bought a Browning  X bolt.  I steered away from Remington.......by the time i tweek the Remington to get it right i would have the same $ used to buy a Browning which has a superb  trigger and is free floated and bedded.  In all fairness, i really like my 2 M700  Remingtons......i have been very successful  with them and there are unlimited  bits and parts availabel for them.
  
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Reply #37 - Sep 25th, 2015 at 8:25am
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Was asked a while ago now but the North island agent is collings and Brady.

Unfortunately I found Outdoor Brands very difficult to deal with, and basically unwilling to help me get my rifle sorted.  It was a really odd experience when you'd think a recall process should be down pat.
  
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