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Sep 6th, 2013 at 9:09pm
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Conservation week programme.

Stoat trapping seminars 7.30pm to 8.30pm.

Amberley RSA tues 10th sept.
Oxford Area school wed 11th
Rangiora DoC office thurs 12th.

For more info contact Sarah Ensor at DoC on ph.3130837.

  
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Reply #1 - Sep 6th, 2013 at 9:15pm
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good stuff. get into it guys. lots of us hunt the same area regularly, check trail cams etc. how about carrying in a stoat trap, add another aspect to your time in the bush?
its pretty good fun, sort of like setting a net or long line, you never know what you might catch.
bloody rewarding when you catch one of the vile little bastard things! plus you are helping your game bird, rabbit and native fauna and your doing your bit for the bush we all love Smiley
  
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Ive had stoat traps x3 set for 2weeks on the farm and havnt caught none yet . Years ago i saw a stoat take down a half growen hare it had it in a dryed up drain i got our foxy on to it but the bastard got away.We had caged quail they got those and we had 3 canarys all taken in the one night left dead in there cage. Angry Angry
  
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once out doing spraying with a co. worker we saw one carrying the biggest rat i have eva seen across a grass paddock but was far to quick to get away when it spied us.
we did tell the farmer but i dont know if he traps etc. river on all 3 sides of this farm.
  
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Reply #4 - Sep 7th, 2013 at 6:37am
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Agree with Chris, get stuck into it!!!

Some more DoC 250 traps for the Northern Whangamarino Wetland Assoc predator control program.


And some Fenn traps and Timms (for cats) for a local wetland / pond. All courtesy of the Waterfowl Enhancement Trust.
  
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brilliant mr hoon! good work mate that should sort a few out Cool
  
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Reply #6 - Sep 8th, 2013 at 2:00am
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We have upped our kill rate significantly by using gloves for handling baits and setting traps. Fish oil with canola for lure. Use best and freshest meat. Had an unbelievable kill rate ...wait for it using venison backsteak.Cats are not being caught by paw but by neck.i.e. Possum Master traps.
  
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irony=a thread bitching about lack of ducks can go 20 pages any day of the week. a thread about actually getting off your arse and helping to create more ducks for YOUR enjoyment gets six replies mainly from people who already trap Roll Eyes
  
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Trapping stoats significantly improved two spots I shoot in the Waikato and up the Coromandel  Cool Would amaze you what it does for the pheasant numbers too. Get into it, look after your sport and enhance the environment!
  
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ive made a few traps like these pretty cheap to make http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD6oMTWzcDU
put them around a few of my ponds nothing yet but a couple have been set off and the farmers seen a couple
  
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Take that you little f@cker Cool
  
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Go the fenn!
  
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Got this ba$tard too

  
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very very nice bro! dont see many ferrets up here.
  
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Reply #15 - Sep 14th, 2013 at 10:47pm
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The Irony is not lost, chris.
Its just some hunters are not  s toatly committed.
They  are w easily distracted and their efforts are not enough fer ret to be effective on a trap line. Cheesy Cheesy
  

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Got a stoat today in a trap i had set in a rabbit hole he must of thought he was going to have rabbit for his lunch .Yet my doc 200+250 ive had set for a month only 1 hedgehog. Smiley
  
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hauraki hunter wrote on Sep 18th, 2013 at 7:16am:
Got a stoat today in a trap i had set in a rabbit hole he must of thought he was going to have rabbit for his lunch .Yet my doc 200+250 ive had set for a month only 1 hedgehog. Smiley


Stoats and ferrets can be fickle, nothing for ages and then one trap will catch a bunch. A useful tip, though not very practicle is to keep baits as fresh as possible. It's pretty hard to compete this time of the year with a wealth of young prey about- today I was able to abandon my truck and chase down (gazell like) a leveret. Took it back showed Max at the truck who was highly impressed (he's not allowed to chase them or their parents) and then I let the squeeling little hua go, proving I have more compassion than a stoat!
  
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Do the stoats change color in winter to white? Like an ermine or weasel here in the US?  They look similar and I have trapped a good # of them.  Are you allowed to use a lure at the traps as well as a bait?
  
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no they pretty much stay that color. you can use what ever you like, the more killed the better.
they are a major introduced predator here and take a heavy toll on native wildlife.
  
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I've trapped an ermine stoat here in NZ in the winter and seen others at times in my car headlights. 
  
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when I was in the employ of DOC I sorted through hundreds of trapped stoats from the BOP area.  No ermines in there but then I saw one on the Mangatoatoa hut clearing one day in June or July so there is the very odd one in that area-although to be fair MTT is pretty high elevation and pretty cold as well.  Maybe there are more again in the deep south?  Certainly I wouldn't expect too many in the winterless north Smiley
  

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not white ferrets?
  
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Certainly not but i have trapped them also. They're albinos with pink eyes.
  
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I've seen white stoats in winter Chris,South island.

Alaska hunter, the stoat is identical to your long tail weasel. Over most of NZ they don't change colour,just sometimes in the high country during winter.

If targeting stoats and rats ,I just use a Victor pro rat trap,at 8$ ea they are a far better proposition than DoC 200 or 250 which are over kill and bloody expensive.
  
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Bon, that is what I use as well.  I make a box with a 2.5 hole drilled in it about 2" up from the bottom to keep voles out and the trap set up against the front of the box, bait in the back.

I don't know about your ability to order or shipping costs, but a man by then name of Asa Lenon makes a great lure for the weasels.   I still use a small piece of duck or beaver for bait, but it isn't required with the lure.

This forum on trapping in the US has a lot of pictures and knowledge from folks who catch a lot.  Might be worth a read
http://www.trapperman.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1034047/35

  
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no Chris definitely not as I am familiar with various ferret colour phases also.  I had a really good look for over a minutevand could clearly see the black tail tip, small size etc. 

I had a yarn to some of the DOC mustelid experts and they basically said the same as Bon. Uncommon but not unknown in SI and occasionally high elevation NI. I could hardly credit my eyes at the time either.

Anyone importing scent lures would have to be careful at the border with biosecurity especially if it has real animal product in it.
  

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well bugger me i never knew that! cheers guys.
yeah would be keen to find out more about this weasel lure. wonder if we can get it into the country.
  
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Chris,you could try making your own. They generally start with glands from beneath the tail and add whatever they think till they get something that works well. Most are closely guarded secrets.
  
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A while back I had a couple of trap placements that simply were never as effective as the other traps in the line, no matter what I did to adjust the location or bait etc. So I physically swapped the traps and boxes for other ones in the line that had sucessfully caught weasels. Within 48 hours, one trap had its first kills, and within 72 hours, so had the second one.

I can only think that by using traps that had fresh scent on it, encouraged the weasels to come and have a closer look, when they would have just kept going by.
  
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CQ,
That is a good observation.  The same happens here while trapping weasels and mink.   A set that has caught them, will continue to.  With mink once I catch a mink, I no longer re-bait it.  They add the smell for the attraction for the next one.
This happens even with lynx, year after year, there is a particular tree which always catches lynx.  I made several sets within close distance, yet the old location seems to draw them.

I hope you guys don't mind me chiming in from over here.  I certainly don't have any experience with your conditions or islands...
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yep, thats often the way hoon. i find once a trap has mustelid smell it catches much better.
bon, when ever i get a fresh stoat i squeeze his belly till he pisses. i rub his arse, piss, etc all round the inside of the stoat box.
often the next catch is a stoat.
im trying mutton fat on the inside of the box at the mo. strong smell, waterproof and fat is always sought after. so far its just made me hungry.
  
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CQ,
That is a good observation.  The same happens here while trapping weasels and mink.   A set that has caught them, will continue to.  With mink once I catch a mink, I no longer re-bait it.  They add the smell for the attraction for the next one.
This happens even with lynx, year after year, there is a particular tree which always catches lynx.  I made several sets within close distance, yet the old location seems to draw them.

I hope you guys don't mind me chiming in from over here.  I certainly don't have any experience with your conditions or islands...
Here is a link to a bunch of items used here.
http://www.pcsoutdoors.com/weaseltrappinglure.aspx

not at all! you fellas must be the world leaders at trapping over there. always great to see/hear new ideas etc.
some interesting lures etc. pretty sure we would have problems importing it with gland product etc.
  
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A while back I had a couple of trap placements that simply were never as effective as the other traps in the line, no matter what I did to adjust the location or bait etc. So I physically swapped the traps and boxes for other ones in the line that had sucessfully caught weasels. Within 48 hours, one trap had its first kills, and within 72 hours, so had the second one.

I can only think that by using traps that had fresh scent on it, encouraged the weasels to come and have a closer look, when they would have just kept going by.

Does it help to do a bait drag to the trap or just leave it be?we are useing rabbit is there better bait?
  
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I was talking to Robin Thomas from the QE11 trust in the weekend who has incredible knowledge and experience in predator control. He gets very good results using bright orange ping pong balls brought from the wharehouse as bait in his traps.... not joking!
  

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chris wrote on Sep 22nd, 2013 at 10:43pm:
yep, thats often the way hoon. i find once a trap has mustelid smell it catches much better.
bon, when ever i get a fresh stoat i squeeze his belly till he pisses. i rub his arse, piss, etc all round the inside of the stoat box.
often the next catch is a stoat.
im trying mutton fat on the inside of the box at the mo. strong smell, waterproof and fat is always sought after. so far its just made me hungry.


Chris,if you have a hayshed, put new  made boxes down there with some grain in and let the mice take over for a couple of weeks. Then put boxes out on the line baited for stoats.
  
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great idea bon!
would work for my close traps but most of mine are carried into the bush quite a way.
will try it on my close ones though.
ping pong balls ay paul, interesting.
  
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I had a talk to an old trapper this week who has used, with great success, eels. He said they drag an eel over the ground for 100m before putting some in the trap and any ferret cutting the scent is a goner Undecided
  

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Paul Stenning wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 7:11am:
I was talking to Robin Thomas from the QE11 trust in the weekend who has incredible knowledge and experience in predator control. He gets very good results using bright orange ping pong balls brought from the wharehouse as bait in his traps.... not joking!

Paul is the colour material? Went into the Warehouse in Hastings yesterday but I misread your comment and was looking for red ones. Can you clarify whether the colour is the major factor. Always keen to try new tricks Thanks.
  
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Paul is the colour material? Went into the Warehouse in Hastings yesterday but I misread your comment and was looking for red ones. Can you clarify whether the colour is the major factor. Always keen to try new tricks Thanks.


He was looking for other options than eggs that were expensive when doing extensive control so thought he would use artificial eggs dipped in a powdered egg solution. But the artificial eggs were also very expensive when you need a large number. so instead decided to try ping pong balls coated in powdered egg solution.
The cheapest option was from the wharehouse with packs of a dozen that had six white ones an six flouro orange coloured ones.
He initially only used the white ones which worked well and after a while he even stopped dipping them in egg solution with no loss of effectiveness! Since he had a heap of flouro ones he though he might a well give them a try and they worked even better!

Worth a try sako?
  

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Thanks Paul. We go back to the block in November after docking and will try it out.At least our kuris dont have their fur untimely ripped just to entice those large Manapouri monsters.Still amazed about your success. Best. Wink
  
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I need some advice guys – up at the office today – had a bit of lunch and walked outside – heard a screaming noise and looked up to see a mid-size rabbit about 10m away – running fast and some other loopy looking bastard about 2m behind it – when they saw me the rabbit came back towards me and the other one took off with Cruz hard on its heals
Not sure which one was screaming – but I presume it was the rabbit
I didn’t know what to do – I had a sharp hoe in my hand so walked up to the rabbit but he took off and up a novaflow drain pipe
Only the second one of those I have ever seen here – I am highly offended  Angry
I had set a cat trap on Sunday evening close to the shed – had a pouch of cat tucker in it – but nothing in the trap today
Not sure what that animal was but about 300mm long, fawn and brown colour and quite skinny
So I went back up the hill ripping weeds out round my native plants and old Cruz starts sniffing down a fresh hole – I dug it out a bit so I could get my hand up to the end – it produced four fresh rabbits about 150mm long – so I have stuck one in the cat trap and three in the freezer
Is this stoat/ferret??  likely to go into a cat trap – or do I need some other type of trap – where can I get them – maybe I need a few 
I need help please – got to get this bastard before these chick are on the ground
  
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Reply #43 - Oct 8th, 2013 at 3:17am
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make a noise like a scared rabbit and make sure you got a gun in the hand,,
ps,them wabbits is tasty
oh yes that long skinny bastard was that way because he was too slow to catch a feed Wink
  

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Getting stoats regularly in the traps now and also some good sized rats



I didn't get to see the biggest rat but the old man said he thought he'd nabbed another ferret when he got the first glimpse of it from outside the trap box...  Shocked
  
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Well done Snuffit, have just read this whole thread and agree its something we all need to be doing, especially at PGADHSC head quarters. Smiley
  

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I need some advice guys – up at the office today – had a bit of lunch and walked outside – heard a screaming noise and looked up to see a mid-size rabbit about 10m away – running fast and some other loopy looking bastard about 2m behind it – when they saw me the rabbit came back towards me and the other one took off with Cruz hard on its heals
Not sure which one was screaming – but I presume it was the rabbit
I didn’t know what to do – I had a sharp hoe in my hand so walked up to the rabbit but he took off and up a novaflow drain pipe
Only the second one of those I have ever seen here – I am highly offended  Angry
I had set a cat trap on Sunday evening close to the shed – had a pouch of cat tucker in it – but nothing in the trap today
Not sure what that animal was but about 300mm long, fawn and brown colour and quite skinny
So I went back up the hill ripping weeds out round my native plants and old Cruz starts sniffing down a fresh hole – I dug it out a bit so I could get my hand up to the end – it produced four fresh rabbits about 150mm long – so I have stuck one in the cat trap and three in the freezer
Is this stoat/ferret??  likely to go into a cat trap – or do I need some other type of trap – where can I get them – maybe I need a few 
I need help please – got to get this bastard before these chick are on the ground

sounds like a ferret cruz. the critter in snuffits post is a stoat, the next one down is a weasel.
yes possibly get them in a cat trap, depending on what trap you are using for cats?
a few dedicated mustelid tunnel traps would be better and give you a better kill rate.
twin sets of doc200 traps in a tunnel work very well and last for years.
bon has been using rat traps for mustelids, he may post some info on that, much cheaper.
get into the little bastards! Smiley
  
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Reply #48 - Nov 3rd, 2013 at 7:09pm
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Still got the cage set near the shed where I saw the loopy guy – on reflection I think he looked a bit like that one in Snuffit’s picture – man that rat he got is huge
Tarrbaby got me a rabbit – so I stuck it in the cage a couple of days back – might be tempting for him – do they still work OK when they get smelly
I have got an egg on a large rat trap in a wooden tunnel - also put out a Goodnature A24 yesterday with their special stoat lure plus some peanut butter
So three chances to catch him – but I am not sure I like my chances
There are still too many rabbits round the property and where I am working on clearing weeds and long grass off my young native trees – I keep flushing out the hen pheasants – so the loopy guy/s has so many options for a feed
I quite like the idea of the ping pong balls – less chance of breaking them while setting the trap - be good to get some ideas from Bon

  
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ferrets are twice the size of the stoat in snuffits pic. and blonde colored bodies, dark extremities.
rabbit will last better if you skin then cut into chunks. salt heavily and freeze.
i find meat baits catch better, egg baits last better.
they are naturally very inquisitive. they love looking through those tunnels!
when you get him, be sure to rub his arse etc all around the inside of your tunnel trap. once a tunnel has stoat scent in it they catch better.
  
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Need to be careful not to over salt as it can be a detergent. DOC did some work on this a few years ago. Get in contact with them and they should be able to provide you with the right "mix".
  
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Paul Stenning wrote on Sep 23rd, 2013 at 7:11am:
I was talking to Robin Thomas from the QE11 trust in the weekend who has incredible knowledge and experience in predator control. He gets very good results using bright orange ping pong balls brought from the wharehouse as bait in his traps.... not joking!

Put out our fluoro balls yesterday. Coloured the white ones with orange forestry spray. Interesting to see how they go. The latter are certainly visible. Maybe that could be the trigger when they are passing by? Curiosity killed the stoat. Sad
  
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ferrets are twice the size of the stoat in snuffits pic. and blonde colored bodies, dark extremities.
rabbit will last better if you skin then cut into chunks. salt heavily and freeze.
i find meat baits catch better, egg baits last better.
they are naturally very inquisitive. they love looking through those tunnels!
when you get him, be sure to rub his arse etc all around the inside of your tunnel trap. once a tunnel has stoat scent in it they catch better.

Graeme Dickson who used to work for Martin Brenstrum told us that you need to hang your dead stoat next to the trap as an attractor. Best we have had is 3 from the same trap before we must have cleaned out the current population.
  
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Pretty sure most of the rats are gone cause the bait is largely untouched in 20 stations
It seems like lots of my pheasants and quail are gone as well – just seeing a few big roosters and only a few young pheasants
Seeing a few pair of quail – yesterday I saw a pair on our access road with four chicks – while I was watching and taking pics – a skinny brown bastard ran across the road and right through the six birds – I was only about 8m away standing beside the Cruiser so must have disturbed him – the birds didn’t seem alarmed by the runner
Is it possible that the skinny animals (maybe stoat or weasel) have switched their diet from having no rats to plenty of pheasants and quail – can they kill adult pheasants
Where can I buy some traps like I see on TV tonight going into AT National Park – or something similar – my cage seems to only catch hedgehogs and the odd cat
I saw a pair of quail at home here a week or so back – they had six chicks – saw them again yesterday with no chicks – bloody cats  Angry
  
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Is it possible that the skinny animals (maybe stoat or weasel) have switched their diet from having no rats to plenty of pheasants and quail



Unfortunately, yes and yes. It is known that removing rats without removing cats, stoats and ferrets etc can increase bird predation.

Get into those stoats though, I was wrapped to see the stoat program doc are running in the Horomanga river showing visible results with good numbers of blue ducklings. Great to see.
  
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Ive got ping pong balls (white) plastic eggs ($2 shop) mutton fat greasing triggers dead hedgehogs,rabbits,chicken hearts baiting the 20 doc250s I use and the catch hasnt been consistant no matter what I use...in fact the fresh bait is a no go down here,its just about or has crawled out the door before it catches hedge hogs. we have trapped 5 ferrets and a stoat 5 cats 25 rats and about 80 hedge hogs over a 12mth period in a 15ha patch of dry ground with nearest creek 100yards away down one boundary, the pro ferreters tell me salmon feed pellets work well for bait.
dog roll in the wrapper works in a timms trap and somewhere else on here someone said a cat food sachet works too.
  
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Micky Duck, with only 20 traps,and expensive ones at that,why shag about with ping pong balls? The only reason I can see why anyone would bother doing that is cost. Fresh rabbit,or Connovations do a freeze dried one which along with a hens egg will, in my opinion, give better and more consistent results. The other main thing is to put time into your sets. Cheers.
  
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now is the time of year stoat trapping is most effective. stoat kills on my trap lines have gone through the roof as they are on the move.
the time is now! get into the little bastards fellas! Smiley
  
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Agree Chris. I've had some recent stoat kills in my traps also. Just sticking to eggs as bait.

Unfortunately I've got 3 hen pheasants cruising around without poults, so presumably they've lost their nests or clutch of young.
  
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Any ideas on where to buy the trap box systems - or is it best to make your own - will the Victor rat trap kill a stoat - or do I need to buy a possum grade style of trap
I have tried the DOC manufacturer here in Tauranga but seems a waste of time
I am really pissed off if these bastards have got my pheasants - there must have been fifty of them on the property a few months back - cant see hardly any now
Poor little quail wont stand a chance
  
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H&F were selling the box type traps as part of the Swamp Comp.
  

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Any ideas on where to buy the trap box systems - or is it best to make your own - will the Victor rat trap kill a stoat - or do I need to buy a possum grade style of trap
I have tried the DOC manufacturer here in Tauranga but seems a waste of time
I am really pissed off if these bastards have got my pheasants - there must have been fifty of them on the property a few months back - cant see hardly any now
Poor little quail wont stand a chance

do a google search and shop around for best deal cruz.
we use double sets of doc200 traps in tunnel boxes.
very effective, long lasting and easy to use.
Bon uses the victor rat traps on stoats to good effect i believe. one tunnel trap box every 200mtrs is the doc requirement but the more the better. i use salted rabbit mainly but eggs are also good.
when you catch a stoat squeeze his belly and rub his piss/arse all around the inside of your stoat box.

new traps and box.



inside of box.



scrape away dirt from both ends of box so it looks like a rabbit burrow or has had animal movement.
place something heavy on top of box once set to help prevent "sympathetic set off". the jarring of one trap going off can set the second trap off leaving your box unloaded and ineffective.
set on edges. track,fence,creek edges etc, stoats tend to follow these edges. north facing bush edges that get early sun concentrate birds and are good hunting grounds for stoats.
if setting in bush old logs, stumps or any big old tree like a puriri that have lots of places rats can nest in are good spots for a trap.
  
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DoC250 traps and boxes are avaiable from Waterfowl Enhancement Trust, based in Taupo. They and H&F run the Swamp Comp and H&F stores sell the traps on their behalf also.
  
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the doc250's are a bit of overkill imo and a bit of a bitch to set.
  
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If anyone is thinking about killing stoats and weasels – this may be useful
I checked out the DOC 200 boxes in Farmlands - $90 for a single trap box – a bit expensive for me
I am going to make some timber boxes out of 150 wide – fence palings – should be OK nailed into a tube with an opening lid – maybe something like this – but a bit more tidy –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-94Y8Dunf4
Finally found some Victor traps with the yellow foot plate – none of the retailers I went to have got them – all just got the ones with a cheese holder and round $10 plus
I found a guy at Mt Maunganui who is supplying heaps of trapping products round the country  -  http://www.victortraps.co.nz/Professional%20Rat%20Traps.htm  http://www.traps.net.nz/
Box of 12 at $5.50 each which is about half what Bunnings or Mitre 10 are charging for the ones with the cheese holder – they are not as powerful as a DOC 200 but should hold a stoat or weasel – just about chopped a carrot in half -

Just got to build them and I am in business – all I need is some bait - fresh rabbit, chook eggs – will they eat a chicken drumstick?  – I don’t know what they are but must be stoat or weasel
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Any ideas on where to buy the trap box systems - or is it best to make your own - will the Victor rat trap kill a stoat - or do I need to buy a possum grade style of trap
I have tried the DOC manufacturer here in Tauranga but seems a waste of time
I am really pissed off if these bastards have got my pheasants - there must have been fifty of them on the property a few months back - cant see hardly any now
Poor little quail wont stand a chance


Make your own boxes up Cruz.                              And yes the Victor Pro rat trap [Make sure it's the pro one ,cedar plank,large yellow plastic plate]  They are used extensivly in Nth America for long tail weasels,which are a mirror image of the European stoat. They don't always kill outright so unless you can get around your line daily then they may not be for you. Landcare Research failed them for this reason, and,from memory, their trial killed 9 from ten in less than three minutes. Personally I don't care if it takes a bit longer for them to kark.                                   DoC being a Govt dept have to be seen to stick to the rules about humane killing of pests. I recommend them to those who haven't trapped previously because chance's are you may have a rat trap or two already and know how to set them. Fenns are a better bet but being a body crusher the No 4 in particular, does not always kill outright. Fenn no 6 was developed  as a stoat trap,and is an excellent choice.Not difficult to set once you get the knack. You can use No1 coil spring leg hold [possum]trap in a box. But again you will need to check your boxes daily and dispatch any catches.      At under $10 each the traps I've described are the cheapest options apart from connibears ,and you may be best to steer clear of them for now.
DoC 200 and 250 are excellent kill traps,but do cost significantly more,as does the gas self setter.
I would sooner put money  into a few more carefully placed sets. I favour less expensive traps but would never stint on bait or lure. Placing a $60 trap with a ping pong ball for a lure..................... Roll Eyes                                                     Stoats can skip along a bit. I've caught them with an egg in the mouth on the way back out of the box a number of times.Take your time and have  a good look around your area,don't just dump a box every 200 yards because the manual tells you to do it that way.There are thousands of box sets scattered about this country that have never, and will never see a stoat inside them simply because they are in the wrong place. Trapping is interesting and there is always something new to learn,good luck Smiley
  
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Make your own boxes up Cruz.                              And yes the Victor Pro rat trap [Make sure it's the pro one ,cedar plank,large yellow plastic plate]  They are used extensivly in Nth America for long tail weasels,which are a mirror image of the European stoat. They don't always kill outright so unless you can get around your line daily then they may not be for you. Landcare Research failed them for this reason, and,from memory, their trial killed 9 from ten in less than three minutes. Personally I don't care if it takes a bit longer for them to kark.                                   DoC being a Govt dept have to be seen to stick to the rules about humane killing of pests. I recommend them to those who haven't trapped previously because chance's are you may have a rat trap or two already and know how to set them. Fenns are a better bet but being a body crusher the No 4 in particular, does not always kill outright. Fenn no 6 was developed  as a stoat trap,and is an excellent choice.Not difficult to set once you get the knack. You can use No1 coil spring leg hold [possum]trap in a box. But again you will need to check your boxes daily and dispatch any catches.      At under $10 each the traps I've described are the cheapest options apart from connibears ,and you may be best to steer clear of them for now.
DoC 200 and 250 are excellent kill traps,but do cost significantly more,as does the gas self setter.
I would sooner put money  into a few more carefully placed sets. I favour less expensive traps but would never stint on bait or lure. Placing a $60 trap with a ping pong ball for a lure..................... Roll Eyes                                                     Stoats can skip along a bit. I've caught them with an egg in the mouth on the way back out of the box a number of times.Take your time and have  a good look around your area,don't just dump a box every 200 yards because the manual tells you to do it that way.There are thousands of box sets scattered about this country that have never, and will never see a stoat inside them simply because they are in the wrong place. Trapping is interesting and there is always something new to learn,good luck Smiley

fully agree Bon. 10 well set traps will out catch 100 poorly placed ones.
i also like the fenn traps and use them here at home. my only gripe is that they are not very long lasting and rust out pretty quick.
cruz, when you make your boxes ensure the trap fits well and stoats cant get around the sides etc. also make sure birds or possums etc cant reach in for the bait and set your traps off without getting killed.
with all the pheasants/quail on your block look for their dusting sites. they will be in dry sunny spots, under totara trees etc. that would be a good spot for a trap or two.
  
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Use gloves and fish oil/canola mix as lure in addition to your meat. Stoats love backsteak. Best line ever on red backsteak. Have put out pp balls and we will check them first time tomorrow.Scraping the outside of the trap is essential showing either activity or territorial activity to a predator.
  
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Cruz, there is some well founded advice on this thread, from trappers more experienced than myself. All I will add is,a freshly killed mouse or rat is  a great attraction as bait for stoats, also had success with rabbit, venison and liver. Wear gloves, as Sako says, old manky smelling, blood encrusted ones are best. I used to drip blood from a killed possum  over an adjacent lower tree trunk and around the trap, then take the carcass well away from the area.

BON, you should write a book, if you haven't already?. With a big chapter on your trapping experiences.  Smiley
  

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BON, you should write a book, if you haven't already?. With a big chapter on your trapping experiences.  Smiley


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Constructed the first couple of traps today – a bit rough so maybe some variations tomorrow
Couldn’t buy any square mesh so had to settle for a viewing hole with some netting
The box is 400mm long – made of 150*20*1200 palings – all glued and nailed
Got the trap positioned close to the entrance hole so he might jump on the foot plate
Started off with an egg and a chicken drumstick for bait couldn’t see any bunnies so fresh meat may have to come later
Total cost of a trap was $3 for the wood and $5.50 for the trap – nails, glue and other bits sitting on the shelf – plus a bit of time



Set two up under some natives where there was fresh dirt
Came back up to the shed and Cruz was going nuts by a pile of strainers – I asked him if it was a rat – but out runs a bloody stoat
Desperate for some anti stoat equipment - I found some old wood tubes from years back that used to have see saw floor systems – perfect size for a Victor trap – so I stuck an egg and a drum stick down by the mesh and slid a Victor in behind the bait – if they want a feed they will have to walk over the trap – put them on the ground beside retaining walls which is where I have seen them running along



  
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I keep trawling back through the posts in this thread – some great information and I just wish I had focused on stoats much earlier
I have got six boxes out now plus a cage pus three tubes round the shed – still need to build six more boxes to get most of the 30 acres covered to some extent
I saw quite a few pheasants and quail yesterday – I think they moved down to the hay paddocks which was cut very late – just a week ago - saw nine bantam size pheasants in one group, six roosters in another group, and also saw some bumble bee size quail – so the stoats didn’t get them all
Bait is what I need to learn about – I suspect these new boxes are going to be pretty obvious to a stoat – maybe they need something tipped over or through them to make them stink a bit – I see Sako mentioned Canola oil – how do you use that – is a plastic bowl for some bait just going to put them off – is the meat best just left in the bottom of the box – I don’t know much about eggs but all the ones in the supermarket were brownish colour – I thought eggs should be white – is it worth having a few ping pong balls in the box as well as a real egg
I am not sure about placement of the boxes – so much long grass around here at present – I took the shovel with me and created some bare dirt paths out of the bush and even in the bush by shifting leaves – I am not a stoat but I reckon it must be easier to run along on bare dirt than through leaves and grass
Any more thoughts guys – these bastards have got to go – even saw one run across the track last night when we were leaving – so there are plenty here  Angry
  
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great stuff cruz! matter of time before you start killing them now.
salt your meat baits over night so they last a it better in this hot weather. a meat bait and/or a hens egg if all you need. i rub the meat baits around the entrances into the trap for a bit of extra scent.
stoats like to travel along lines. fence lines, tracks, paths etc. i find creek edges very good myself.
i look for natural features that funnel any stoats moving along a creek into a area then set a trap box there. they prefer to travel in cover rather than in the open if they can so sets under a bit of scrub or what ever are often better than ones right out in the open.
wear gloves when you attend the traps.
any areas were prey items congregate are obvious spots.
dusting areas for the quail, areas were birds feed a lot etc. old stumps, piles of timber, etc etc were rats might nest are also good hunting grounds for stoats.
rodents are a key prey item for stoats so anywhere rodents may be is a good place.
i recall you had a rat bait station that always got hit by rats? around that area for instance would be a good place.
when you catch a stoat get as much of its scent as you can around the inside of your boxes. once the boxes have a bit of stoat scent in them they seem to catch better.

  
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Cruz wrote on Jan 18th, 2014 at 7:55pm:
I keep trawling back through the posts in this thread – some great information and I just wish I had focused on stoats much earlier
I have got six boxes out now plus a cage pus three tubes round the shed – still need to build six more boxes to get most of the 30 acres covered to some extent
I saw quite a few pheasants and quail yesterday – I think they moved down to the hay paddocks which was cut very late – just a week ago - saw nine bantam size pheasants in one group, six roosters in another group, and also saw some bumble bee size quail – so the stoats didn’t get them all
Bait is what I need to learn about – I suspect these new boxes are going to be pretty obvious to a stoat – maybe they need something tipped over or through them to make them stink a bit – I see Sako mentioned Canola oil – how do you use that – is a plastic bowl for some bait just going to put them off – is the meat best just left in the bottom of the box – I don’t know much about eggs but all the ones in the supermarket were brownish colour – I thought eggs should be white – is it worth having a few ping pong balls in the box as well as a real egg
I am not sure about placement of the boxes – so much long grass around here at present – I took the shovel with me and created some bare dirt paths out of the bush and even in the bush by shifting leaves – I am not a stoat but I reckon it must be easier to run along on bare dirt than through leaves and grass
Any more thoughts guys – these bastards have got to go – even saw one run across the track last night when we were leaving – so there are plenty here  Angry

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Bon wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 8:41am:
Micky Duck, with only 20 traps,and expensive ones at that,why shag about with ping pong balls? The only reason I can see why anyone would bother doing that is cost. Fresh rabbit,or Connovations do a freeze dried one which along with a hens egg will, in my opinion, give better and more consistent results. The other main thing is to put time into your sets. Cheers.

we have had traps set in this area over a 18 month period...tried all sorts of things as bait, goose,venison,fresh hens eggs etc etc. we got a stoat last week in a trap that has killed 3 hedgehogs in the last month and we havent rebaited it yet...its got a brown wriggly blob where bait used to be and dead carcasses behind it. the ping pong balls stay in traps,same as plastic eggs,I figure they are a visual thing..hmmm is that an egg??? best pop in for a closer look....
I dont believe the mustilid population is high in the area but are trapping to keep the native lizards it contains a little/lot safer...the breeding area for ducks is a bonus Wink got an awesome R.I.P. Mallard Hammond call from the swamp comp for our troubles last year so that was a very BIG bonus Wink
  
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those boxes are the same as what we started out using only difference is we has leg hold possom traps in them. if you use 6x1" timber the trap will wedge nicely in and anything has to go over plate to get at bait..yip they work good. if targeting rats try a few bluebird rashuns.
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Gloves hum yes maybe but I will go with the jokers saying most stoat traps don't even get a visit.
I got quite a number out there and one of my best catching is on the neighbors and checked daily by a perfumed up little old lady when she gets the post. 
My guess its because of where it is, you dont see many stoats it takes a fair while to get onto it, her observations on the farm over 60yrs are gold.

  
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Cruz,your box looks fine. Only suggestion, try screwing a cup hook under the lid and hanging your chook leg rather than leaving it on the deck. Cheers.
  
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chris wrote on Jan 16th, 2014 at 7:01pm:
fully agree Bon. 10 well set traps will out catch 100 poorly placed ones.i also like the fenn traps and use them here at home. my only gripe is that they are not very long lasting and rust out pretty quick.
cruz, when you make your boxes ensure the trap fits well and stoats cant get around the sides etc. also make sure birds or possums etc cant reach in for the bait and set your traps off without getting killed.
with all the pheasants/quail on your block look for their dusting sites. they will be in dry sunny spots, under totara trees etc. that would be a good spot for a trap or two.


Agree as well.  Having run a few lines over the years and still doing a bit around the farm and in a DOC block it is noticeable that the same traps catch a lot of stoats and some never do.  After a while you get to see a pattern of favoured habitat.

When I was working in the bush a possum trapper mate used to run half a dozen as a bit of a challenge and his strike rate was phenomenal once he sorted out the right places to set them.
  

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Not yet Chris – one mouse, one rat and a bloody sore thumb that got in the way of a Victor trap
I have given up on the chicken legs and sardine cat tucker sachets – flies turn it into a mess in a day or so
Maurie from MS Woodcraft who sold me the traps tells me they don’t like stinky baits so at present I have reverted to one egg and a couple of PP balls in each box – also done away with the bait pan so there is room for them to get inside and have a chew on the yellow bait plate - I might try drilling some eggs to get some egg odour in the box
Tarrbaby is onto a heap of rabbits in an orchard near here so he is going to get me some rabbits which I will break up and freeze – so I should have some good bait soon – should I skin them or leave some fur on – I recall you mentioned to salt the rabbits for bait
I saw this on the net the other day – amazing what these animals can do to catch their prey – rabbit didn’t stand a chance –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODEUK5sB5vE
Also saw these among many more I have looked at -
http://www.kiwisforkiwi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Controlling_Mustelids_200...
http://hawkesbay.fishandgame.org.nz/sites/default/files/hawkes_bay/habitat_info/...
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yes skin your rabbits. cut them into hunks and salt overnight, drain off liquid and store in freezer. i use hen eggs all winter, one egg per box and thats fine for bait.
fresh is best but i have caught stoats on very heavily putrified rabbit meat baits.
i don't think they go in to eat it but they are so curious i don't think they can help themselves and go in to check it out.
they definitely feed on dead rats in my traps and some are very rotten and maggoty. i wouldn't be surprised if they eat maggots also.
stick at it cruz, they are cunning little bastards but they have chinks in their armour.
i notice in one of those links they have traps out in open grass areas. personally i wouldn't do that.
put them under cover so the stoats feel more confident.
  
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Constructed the first couple of traps today – a bit rough so maybe some variations tomorrow
Couldn’t buy any square mesh so had to settle for a viewing hole with some netting
The box is 400mm long – made of 150*20*1200 palings – all glued and nailed
Got the trap positioned close to the entrance hole so he might jump on the foot plate
Started off with an egg and a chicken drumstick for bait couldn’t see any bunnies so fresh meat may have to come later
Total cost of a trap was $3 for the wood and $5.50 for the trap – nails, glue and other bits sitting on the shelf – plus a bit of time



Set two up under some natives where there was fresh dirt
Came back up to the shed and Cruz was going nuts by a pile of strainers – I asked him if it was a rat – but out runs a bloody stoat
Desperate for some anti stoat equipment - I found some old wood tubes from years back that used to have see saw floor systems – perfect size for a Victor trap – so I stuck an egg and a drum stick down by the mesh and slid a Victor in behind the bait – if they want a feed they will have to walk over the trap – put them on the ground beside retaining walls which is where I have seen them running along




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Made a few changes from the first one in the picture in my previous post – all a bit rough – cut with a skill saw – fit where they touch
Version 1 was made with 160*20*1200 fence palings from ITM – problem with the 20mm timber is it leaves a bit much space in the bottom of the box and you need to use a packer down the sides to make sure the trap stays in the centre – timber is a bit unstable and needs to be nailed before it warps
Version 2 was made with 160*25*1200 fence palings – timber is much stronger – the gap inside is perfect for the trap - but trap ends up a bit heavier - $1.30 per paling so two per trap with a bit of waste
Version 3 – I found some 20mm welded mesh for the bait end of the trap – much better for the animal to view his last supper – I also used a bit of 50*40 across the top at the mesh end as it is much stronger to pivot the top with a decent size coach bolt – much easier to staple some mesh than to drill a large viewing hole with netting cover
The box is 400mm long less the saw cut – so three pieces out of one paling – cut the top (500mm or less maybe) and an end out of the other paling – a bit of spare which is useful if you are making a few
I have just made three of the latest version – I am going to use them round our subdivision where we have about twenty one acre sections – about half the boundaries are onto a tidal estuary and the rest is onto various avocado orchards – there should be lots of quail and pheasants but instead we have lots of fat rats that love avocados, lots of rabbits and people see the odd stoat – very few quail and pheasants
I stirred up some interest in predator control – one neighbour set five rat bait stations a few weeks back and is still feeding them – another has caught 22 in a cage – poor quail didn’t stand a chance – but where you have avocado orchards – you have heaps of rats
The entry hole is 50mm – I got most of the ideas off the net – watching trapper Joe or his mates in Wisconsin or other places
Left my small staples up at the farm so couldn’t attach the latches – just made out of a bit of 2mm soft wire
I am going to give the bait pan a miss and just put the bat on the floor up by the mesh – should also be easier to shake out the maggots through the mesh



  
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Fantastic effort Cruz! Simple yet effective, I'm sure these posts will be inspiration to others to do likewise!  Cool
  
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yep top effort cruz! Cool
maybe a nail banged in through the floor to hold your bait? make sure critters cant reach in through mesh and grab bait.
  
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Frickkin awesome Cruz. Be nice to be a laying bird around your place.
  
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GQHOON wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 7:57pm:
Fantastic effort Cruz! Simple yet effective, I'm sure these posts will be inspiration to others to do likewise!  Cool


+1, I have been keeping an eye on this thread, all very interesting Cool
  
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+1 Ive just ordered 12 traps. looking forward to targeting the little buggers.
  
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+1 Ive just ordered 12 traps. looking forward to targeting the little buggers.


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went out for walk around the line last night shooting 3 rabbits as we went..had 4 hedge hogs 1 ferret head...yes thats right only its head left the rest had been eaten out of a doc250 box and in the next box 100mtrs on a big ferret it could only just fit into first compartment of box. spotted a scungy cat so will get the timms traps rebaited with dog roll and get that hua too.
  
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For a fish smell without the rotten problem you guys might try that fish oil bait booster stuff from the fishing shop.The stuff I use doesn't go rotten and I put a squirt of this into sardine and other little tins for lure trays.
Got 18 wild cats in a week recently using this stuff,had sucess with the mustilids too with it.
Be interested in you guys results with it.
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Landcare Research have been doing some work making the Victor Professional rat trap (now called Victor Easy Set) an effective stoat trap. See attached link to a paper just published. 

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0086760

Seems unmodified traps will kill some stoats but if they get hit on the neck they can pull out & escape.
  
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be a bloody sight easier carrying those in instead of doc200 and wooden tunnels!
  
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Maurie from Victor Traps sent me a few pictures of stoats he had caught
I don’t think he enjoyed the piece of bacon and doesn’t look like he was going to pull out
I wish it was one of my stoats – but soon I hope – I might go back to sardines and a squirt of fish oil 

  
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looks great but no good down here as we have more ferrets than wee fellas...and they arent small either. noticed alot of them as road kill lately. the rat/stoat trap idea looks good but I guess you would need to limit entry by size of hole to avoid trap shy bigger fish...so to speak...
the guys doing it full time told me the pellets from salmon farm are good bait.
  
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Maurie from Victor Traps sent me a few pictures of stoats he had caught
I don’t think he enjoyed the piece of bacon and doesn’t look like he was going to pull out
I wish it was one of my stoats – but soon I hope – I might go back to sardines and a squirt of fish oil 


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Made a few changes from the first one in the picture in my previous post – all a bit rough – cut with a skill saw – fit where they touch
Version 1 was made with 160*20*1200 fence palings from ITM – problem with the 20mm timber is it leaves a bit much space in the bottom of the box and you need to use a packer down the sides to make sure the trap stays in the centre – timber is a bit unstable and needs to be nailed before it warps
Version 2 was made with 160*25*1200 fence palings – timber is much stronger – the gap inside is perfect for the trap - but trap ends up a bit heavier - $1.30 per paling so two per trap with a bit of waste
Version 3 – I found some 20mm welded mesh for the bait end of the trap – much better for the animal to view his last supper – I also used a bit of 50*40 across the top at the mesh end as it is much stronger to pivot the top with a decent size coach bolt – much easier to staple some mesh than to drill a large viewing hole with netting cover
The box is 400mm long less the saw cut – so three pieces out of one paling – cut the top (500mm or less maybe) and an end out of the other paling – a bit of spare which is useful if you are making a few
I have just made three of the latest version – I am going to use them round our subdivision where we have about twenty one acre sections – about half the boundaries are onto a tidal estuary and the rest is onto various avocado orchards – there should be lots of quail and pheasants but instead we have lots of fat rats that love avocados, lots of rabbits and people see the odd stoat – very few quail and pheasants
I stirred up some interest in predator control – one neighbour set five rat bait stations a few weeks back and is still feeding them – another has caught 22 in a cage – poor quail didn’t stand a chance – but where you have avocado orchards – you have heaps of rats
The entry hole is 50mm – I got most of the ideas off the net – watching trapper Joe or his mates in Wisconsin or other places
Left my small staples up at the farm so couldn’t attach the latches – just made out of a bit of 2mm soft wire
I am going to give the bait pan a miss and just put the bat on the floor up by the mesh – should also be easier to shake out the maggots through the mesh




Ordered 20 traps. Can you give us the specs on all the wood cuts. My son and his mates are going to do it as a project. Cheers.
  
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Hi Sako
Most of the detail is in the previous script - three pieces (sides and bottom) out of a single 1200*160*25 fence paling
The top needs to be a bit longer to cover at both ends - Trapper Joe in Wisconsin may have made the overhang a bit longer to keep the snow out of the entry hole
The sides sit on top of the bottom piece so you get a good fit for the trap - cut the front end to fit the sides and bottom
Use a bit of 50*40 (or similar) for the top at the viewing end - a solid piece for the screw that pivots the top
Get a packet of 60*2.8 galv flat head nails - as well as some galv coach bolts and large washers for the top pivot
Make some latches out of 2mm soft wire - 100mm long - staple them to the sides of the front and the latch staples in the sides of the top - the latches will hold the top in place and stop it twisting when it dries out
Glue all joints with plenty of PVA glue 
Drill the 50mm holes in the front after you have built the boxes and before you attached the top - that way you can put your boot in the box to hold it steady - cause hole saws can jamb
Also drill a 6mm hole in each front corner of the bottom - water needs to drain out of each end - or the untreated wood on the Victor trap might rot if sitting in water too long
Get the timber from somewhere like ITM - tell them what you are doing and ask for perfect pieces from down in the stack - keep them block stacked until you use them
You will need to find some outfit that will cut short lengths of mesh - most sell rolls and won’t cut it - staple the mesh to the timber using a heavy grade stapler
Early on - I put three nails in the bottom to hold an egg - got rid of them and got rid of the stinking bait trays - I now just use a handful of dry grass to sit the egg and ping pong balls on
That’s about it - I still haven’t caught a stoat - just rats and mice - I haven’t seen a stoat or weasel for the last couple of months - but they will make a mistake one day and a Victor will get them  Grin
  
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Thanks. Got our 20 traps via courier this morning. As it will be dry over Easter it will give us something to do. Grin
  
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Reply #106 - Apr 19th, 2014 at 9:47pm
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Snuffit wrote on Apr 19th, 2014 at 5:20am:
Still trappin', still killin'

Heaps of ducks in ponds  Cool


Great solution for these ugly animals Snuffit
Still killin and plenty of ducks on your ponds - can you give us a bit of a run down on what sort of trapping and what sort of animals you are getting at your ponds
I thought predator control was a great opportunity for duck hunters to improve breeding success but the other thread on here about the decline of duck numbers indicates it’s a very complex issue
I have friends who operate traps and a lot of bait stations all over a 250 acre Manawatu farm - some fabulous planted ponds but duck breeding success is very low - couple of DOC 200 traps that they move around and all they get is stinking hedgehogs - never caught a stoat - rat bait keeps going intermittently - so they have them under reasonable control - I quizzed them about hawks - they reckon that the hawks are so full of ewe/lamb placenta at that time of the year they wouldn’t be interested in ducklings
I am starting to get stinking hedgehogs in my traps - HTF do they get through a 50mm dia hole - also getting rats and mice - maybe they are feeling winter coming and want shelter

  
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Reply #107 - Apr 19th, 2014 at 10:07pm
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dont be disapointed catching hedgepigs, they are a very under rated predator.
check out the teeth on the next one you catch!
those teeth are not there for munching up slugs etc.
cruz, two doc200's on 250 acres will show a very low mustelid kill. the ideal is a minimum of one trap every 200mtrs.
amazing what can squeeze their way into tunnel traps. i get possums in mine from time to time and once caught a mature tui! Huh
  
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Reply #108 - Apr 20th, 2014 at 12:11am
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Cruz, our ponds appear to be completely unsuitable for mallard breeding, however the habitat is right up the grey duck's street and we regularly have mums bring up their little grey broods there. At this time of year the ponds fill up with loafing mallards, which is what we saw yesterday.

We're running old fenns, some DOC 250s and a couple of the gas operated jobbies (which sadly have proven singularly useless for whatever reason. Likely to be user error). The traps are baited with a range of stuff - eggs/ dog roll etc. Ferrets appear to move around freely over a big range, whereas the stoats are in little communities that can be trapped effectively.

Rats are just freakin everywhere. I hate them with a passion.  Angry
  
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Reply #109 - Apr 24th, 2014 at 12:26am
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Hi guys, I'm looking at getting stuck into the stoats, they're nasty little critters.

We've had a few sightings around our chooks and have noticed we aren't getting as many eggs as we once did, we also have stopped getting morning eggs. That maybe due to the time of year though.

I like the look of cruz's set up but am wondering whether a victor professional can take a stoat. Have you guys caught stoats in them?
The weasels in the north american videos look quite small I haven't seen any NZ stoats up close but understand they're up to 40cm long. I use the victors for rats around the chooks and have had big rats escape. I'd imagine a stoat would be much stronger than a large rat.

The victor professional set up looks great but wouldn't like any escapee stoats. I bet they would become incredibly trap shy.

I was originally thinking of getting a couple of DOC 150 box sets but with the victor option I could probebly run about 5 or 6 on our 12 acre property.
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Reply #110 - Apr 24th, 2014 at 2:10am
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Good question Wellycoaster - if one pulled out, they are unlikely to try again
Maurie from Victor Traps sent me a few pics of stoats that he had caught in the Victor Pro trap - check back on previous page - got him behind the head so that sucker wouldn’t pull out - but on a leg maybe they could
The traps that Snufit and Chris are using look much better - also check Chris’s thread for ideas - http://www.fishnhunt.co.nz/forum/YaBB.cgi?num=1219815152
I would have gone for the DOC traps - but they were a bit expensive for me on my rural block - I still haven’t got a stoat so not sure why
I have just started to clean up predators on 88 acres of a community bush block near where I live at Te Puna - only got a few bait stations going so far but will need some big numbers and truck loads of bait - not sure what they are going to provide me with for stoat traps but I reckon it will need 20 or so - they have only ever done possum bait stations which I have now put on the ground or on logs and the rats are taking bait as fast as I can fill them - lovely bush but very few birds - I have got to clean it up before next nesting season - I want to transform the place
  
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Reply #111 - Apr 24th, 2014 at 2:11am
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chris wrote on Apr 19th, 2014 at 10:07pm:
dont be disapointed catching hedgepigs, they are a very under rated predator.
check out the teeth on the next one you catch!
those teeth are not there for munching up slugs etc.
cruz, two doc200's on 250 acres will show a very low mustelid kill. the ideal is a minimum of one trap every 200mtrs.
amazing what can squeeze their way into tunnel traps. i get possums in mine from time to time and once caught a mature tui! Huh


+1 on hedgehogs-they have been proven to be major predators of ground nesting birds both game and native.  Way back when the Acclimatisation societies used to give bounties on them.

I have also been doing a bit of stoat trapping both on contract and on the farm.  as Chris says regular spacings of 200m max is the way to go.  If you can down to 100 it catches more from trial work we have done.  can't remember the exact figures but each trap only catches a stoat every couple of years on average (obviously that will change depending where you are and stoat numbers but it gives the idea ).  Having said that some are better than nothing and if you have traps set in better stoat habitat you will catch proportionately more.  If I see a stoat hanging around the house/sheds or one down at the ponds I usually find it caught in one of the nearest traps within a couple of days.  I once even saw one run into a tunnel (you can see it from the lounge window)
  

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Reply #112 - Apr 24th, 2014 at 7:08am
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the wife checked our traps the other day for me with son along to reset them
we have 5 plastic timms and 16 doc 250s 2 under water this week
we re baited 2 weeks ago and to try something different we grabbed bag of berley pellets from the warehouse (they look like green dog turds)
3 cats and 4 hedgehogs from 19 active traps Smiley got to be happy with that Smiley
  
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Reply #113 - Apr 24th, 2014 at 7:11am
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That's a good effort Micky! The damage that cats can do is astounding!
  
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Reply #114 - Apr 24th, 2014 at 7:51am
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Good stuff Micky.

Awesome, thanks for that Cruz, Chris's thread is quality.
Not sure how I missed Mauries picture plus Bon 's posts  Embarrassed Too much skim reading...
Your project sound like a good challenge, it will be rewarding when the birds start coming back. I've often thought of joining the local forest & bird and helping out with their bait station lines etc. I should really do it.

I'll make a few boxes up and give them a go, thinking of about 5 sets for the 12 acre property.
We've got a large stream and a ditch with natives and manuka growing along side them, plus the chooks and a small block of trees where rabbits hang out so they seem the most obvious spots. Quite looking forward to this  Smiley


  
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Reply #115 - Dec 11th, 2014 at 1:09am
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Version 4 of the stoat and rat buster
I am still working on pest control at the Te Puna Quarry Park - making some good progress and already people are saying the birds are back - might be imagination but there are certainly a lot more quail on the ground and Tui etc flitting round all over
I have killed in excess of fifty possums and have put out about eight large buckets of bait through about 70 bait stations - the possums are getting hard to find and the rat bait take has slowed to a dribble
I have five DOC 250s scattered round the park - rats and hedgehogs are all they have caught so far
Thinking I was making progress and last week someone sees a bloody stoat walk across the entrance road at midday
So I need some lower cost stoat/rat traps to scatter round the internal roadways - at about $12 each - I don’t need to worry about obscuring them as carefully as I have done with our other traps - if they grow legs and walk away - I won’t get stressed
So version 4 has mesh at both ends - will place an egg on some grass along with a piece of chicken at one end and hopefully they will take a walk over the Victor Pro trap
I am also thinking that longer term - I will need to change to more traps and less bait - so this is a start of that move






  
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Reply #117 - Dec 11th, 2014 at 2:19am
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good work Cruz!
good timing also, the little bastards are on the move.
had a call re a family of stoats seen at a local reserve on the edge of my main block.
mum and six young ones.
set up four box's in the area and so far have caught four of them.


the young ones were certainly ready to go forth on their own Angry
mum is the one at the top so this years young are well grown.
they will be full on now until the end of March so get those traps freshened up fellas! Cool
  
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Reply #118 - Dec 11th, 2014 at 2:44am
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Cruz wrote on Dec 11th, 2014 at 1:09am:
Version 4 of the stoat and rat buster
I am still working on pest control at the Te Puna Quarry Park - making some good progress and already people are saying the birds are back - might be imagination but there are certainly a lot more quail on the ground and Tui etc flitting round all over
I have killed in excess of fifty possums and have put out about eight large buckets of bait through about 70 bait stations - the possums are getting hard to find and the rat bait take has slowed to a dribble
I have five DOC 250s scattered round the park - rats and hedgehogs are all they have caught so far
Thinking I was making progress and last week someone sees a bloody stoat walk across the entrance road at midday
So I need some lower cost stoat/rat traps to scatter round the internal roadways - at about $12 each - I don’t need to worry about obscuring them as carefully as I have done with our other traps - if they grow legs and walk away - I won’t get stressed
So version 4 has mesh at both ends - will place an egg on some grass along with a piece of chicken at one end and hopefully they will take a walk over the Victor Pro trap
I am also thinking that longer term - I will need to change to more traps and less bait - so this is a start of that move










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Reply #119 - Dec 11th, 2014 at 5:59am
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Good going there Chris and Cruz Smiley

Cruz, with bait Ive been using freeze dried rabbit from connovation. Stays good in the traps for a month then I think it loses a bit of smell, could be worth a try.

I have to go around and check my traps and rebait. Ive been lazy
  
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Reply #120 - Apr 1st, 2015 at 6:11am
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Same sort of design but he does not use the mesh.

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Reply #122 - Apr 1st, 2015 at 8:01pm
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Hi Guys - the work goes on - I am enjoying the challenges of killing bird predators - I keep thinking I have got them beat but they often have other ideas
I am still waiting for my first mustilid at the farm or at the Park - but I am happy killing possums, rats and hedgepigs
At the Park  - we are operating around 80 rat and possum bait stations and around 100 rat and possum traps
Quail numbers in the Park have exploded - similar at the farm with the added bonus of heaps of young
pheasants
We have just changed from Ditrac to Contrac for rats - bastards just stopped eating Ditrac a couple of months back and rats have come back in big numbers - stripping bait from possum traps - maybe a seasonal issue with other food sources
We have just deployed about 60 rat traps and its very satisfying to be removing bodies from traps again
We are now using GN orange paste on both possum and rat traps - it is very effective
Along with eggs - we are using Connovation dried rabbit bait and Salmon spray lure in the stoat traps - the dried rabbit is like a magnet to rats as they cross the plate in the DOC250 traps - they always die with their nose on the rabbit bait blocks

I have caught rats and hedgepigs in the Victor stoat/rat boxes - how a hedgepig can get through a 60mm square hole - I don’t know but I keep the trap fairly close to the entrance now so they don’t get too stuck - once a box has had a hedgepig in it - they seem to keep on coming

Also catching a lot of rats in Timms with hair trigger setting - using a milk bottle top on the rod with GN orange paste - possums and rats love it




  
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good stuff Cruz. I read in our local group's newsletter that when professional trappers came through our area they were amazed/alarmed at the number of ferrets around. We've got our traps set 24/7 with weekly checking but catch rates are down, we've not taken a ferret for weeks.... additional food around for the critters? Avoiding the baits? We're still smashing over rats in droves.
  
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Finally getting around to making your traps but wood merchants down here don't do 160 only 150 or 200 . So need to cut down 200 palings.Do we nail or use screws because your latest version seems to show screws i.e. 60 square heads. Presumably you staple the mesh not nail it? A mate to overcome sneaky mustelids is using jag hooks suspended from the lid with meat so if they grab it they are hooked. All his traps baited this way have kills. Time consuming he says but very effective .They end up dead on the trap when they prance around which sets it off.
  
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Hi Sako - boxes are all nailed - only two screws - one with a hex head and washer for the hinge and a No2 square head for quick access - bit of glue might be useful   
The DOC250s came with a hex head bolt for access but I got sick of trying to find the spanner so have converted them to No2 square heads
Mesh is stapled - has buckled a bit as the wood shrunk
Mind out for the Victor traps - they can be a bit hairy - one got my right thumb and a T Rex got my left thumb - wife asked me if I learned anything  Embarrassed
Got the possum kill up to 116 now and rat kill up to 110 in about six weeks of putting out the new traps - rats are loving the new Contrac bait lots of stations stripped in first week - we wasted a lot of time on Ditrac bait

  
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Hope your reply to your wife was "about what?" Grin Grin Grin Grin
  
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Reply #127 - Apr 11th, 2015 at 6:03am
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great kill tally. keep up the great work.
  
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Not sure if this is already mentioned. Carrying on from Paul Stennings tip a mate is using golf balls as the egg bait. It cost him dearly because he flogged his mates top of the line bag of balls.His mates wife cottoned on to his deed and extracted a cut and colour as the price for being quiet.He now knows why hairdreessers drive around in porsches. Grin But he is also trialling marshmallows dunked or syringed with fish oil.Going to trial the latter next month.
  
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Bought some Fenn traps half which needed cleaning i.e. rust and accumulated muck. Got a horrendous quote to sand blast them. The solution is to dunk them in bucket of half vinegar and water. Left for a week. Pull out and hose off. It works. Rust comes off real easy.
  
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sako wrote on May 9th, 2015 at 8:15pm:
Bought some Fenn traps half which needed cleaning i.e. rust and accumulated muck. Got a horrendous quote to sand blast them. The solution is to dunk them in bucket of half vinegar and water. Left for a week. Pull out and hose off. It works. Rust comes off real easy.


once cleaned i give mine a good heavy spray with aerosol fisholene oil. it drys sort of hard almost like a varnish and keeps them in good condition.
  
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Where do you buy this?
  
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think i got it from supercheap auto.
  
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Check this lazy way of cleaning.Found it after found the other article.

http://www.trapperman.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1013515/Electrolytic_Rust_...
  
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Saw another recipe for cleaning rust which is molasses with water on a 1:9 ratio.[10 per cent solution by volume of molasses in water (1 part molasses to 9 parts water) The dude bought the horse molasses from Farmlands. The article is in the Shed magazine April/May pg 6.
  
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wonder if the sweetness would give you a high rat kill?
  
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Some of our DOC250s at the Park are getting a bit scungy inside - might be general dampness or might be some of the Connovation Salmon spray I squirt around
I see one of your pics Chris, you had a scrubbing brush beside your gear - do they need a scrub out now and again - or does that just upset the sweat smells of deceased rats and hogs
We have now kill trapped 131 Possums, 200 Rats and 20 Hogs - God knows how many killed with bait - but still haven’t touched a stoat or ferret 


I saw a cat up the farm a week back so set a cage - didn’t get the cat but got a quarter grown kitten - bound to be a few more of them with Mum but too much travel for me to operate a cage and check it daily so I need another solution - get lucky with a 22 while I am working up there or try a kill trap
I picked up some No6 Fenns on TM a few months back but have only used a couple in dry culverts to clean up some rabbits - but also caught some Hogs - so gave up - can anyone think of a suitable housing for some Fenns that might catch a cat
  
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good tally there Cruz Cool
once a year over winter i would give every trap on my lines a good clean.
i carry a paint scraper and remove the internal mesh and give the whole inside of the box a good scrape out.
then the traps get a good scrub with a wee wire brush, especially any rusty areas.
a scrub in the creek if theres one handy then a good all over oiling with lanolin oil.
especially any moving parts.
traps last better and trigger more reliably if they are well maintained.
  
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hopfully taking this guy out mite save a few ducklings and pheasant chicks, caught in a doc 200 trap near the dam that i shoot on.
  
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its a "good ferret" now Wink
  
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bit off topic but caught a tom cat using tuna as bait  Wink
  

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Thought I would give this thread a refresh - it’s too good to get lost
Lots of young quail around at present - easy meat for any predator
I saw a hen pheasant fly yesterday - young chicks calling for her to come back - which she did - easy for a predator to track them down with all the noise
I checked most of my traps and bait stations - one lousy rat in about fifteen traps and buggar all bait moving - cats and possums have all gone - so it all gets a bit boring - wish I could catch some stoats
I quite like the Snap-E traps - bit safer on fingers than the Victors - will have to replace most of my Victor traps in boxes as they have gone rusty
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Reply #144 - Jan 18th, 2016 at 5:46am
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I enjoy your posts Cruz.

Been slow in my traps this year, I had not checked them for a couple of weeks and found a very manky hedgehog   Embarrassed
  
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Reply #145 - Jan 18th, 2016 at 5:58am
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Salmoner wrote on Jan 18th, 2016 at 5:46am:
I enjoy your posts Cruz.

Been slow in my traps this year, I had not checked them for a couple of weeks and found a very manky hedgehog   Embarrassed
                                    Hedgehogs go manky in 24hrs i put a spike through them to get them out of the doc traps and turn my nose off. Wink
  
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Reply #146 - Jan 18th, 2016 at 8:09pm
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I put a few DOC200s around my ponds a few months ago. Caught my first stoat this week! Hopefully that means there aren't too many around .....
  

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Reply #147 - Jan 18th, 2016 at 10:32pm
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What they do down here with the' victors' is to use lanoline spray oil and a bronze wire brush[think tooth brush size] and give them a good scrub up every now and then.
Some traps are years old and still catching.
  

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Reply #148 - Jan 19th, 2016 at 12:59am
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[quote author=7246555A575D476B7B4646340 link=1378501783/70#70 date=1389949536]Constructed the first couple of traps today – a bit rough so maybe some variations tomorrow
Couldn’t buy any square mesh so had to settle for a viewing hole with some netting
The box is 400mm long – made of 150*20*1200 palings – all glued and nailed
Got the trap positioned close to the entrance hole so he might jump on the foot plate
Started off with an egg and a chicken drumstick for bait couldn’t see any bunnies so fresh meat may have to come later
Total cost of a trap was $3 for the wood and $5.50 for the trap – nails, glue and other bits sitting on the shelf – plus a bit of time



Thanks for the advice threeoeight - I am going to bring in my first ten boxes for maintenance - will wire brush the traps and give them some lube - might save some concerned looks from my wife about buying more trap gear
I am going to knock out the end with the small hole and convert that end to steel mesh - will take the wire netting off the other end to give them a larger entry hole - will convert the top to a screw latch instead of the silly wire hooks
I am sick of getting down on my knees to see if there is anything in a trap box
I am also going to open up the steel mesh entry openings on all my other trap boxes (250s etc) - I reckon two pieces of mesh out each way is not quite enough - hogs are really having trouble getting in and I am having real trouble getting them out
Also been reading back through the two threads on stoat trapping - I am going to find some ponga logs and set up some Fenns like “Traps” showed us in Stoat Trapping Notes - tunnel - trap - tunnel and no stinking bait - might even try a few Fenns in culverts now the rain has stopped
  
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Reply #149 - Jan 19th, 2016 at 5:42am
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Lanolin oil works real well in my experience.
I carry a pair of pliers, oil and a small wire brush and clean up the traps as I go.
Once a year they get a real good on site clean up.
  
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Reply #150 - Jan 20th, 2016 at 6:20am
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Cruz put up some photos of the trap alterations. Photos of the stoat trap last night a bloody Tom spraying all over it and sitting on the cat trap (cage time with sack over it. Chris are lamb bones any good for trapping cats been givin a lamb lots of scraps.
  
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Reply #151 - Jan 20th, 2016 at 6:29am
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BX are cats turning up at same time each night????? if so
find possie 125ish yards away get spotlight and accurate .222 or .223 and you will be able to hand it its needings.
  
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Reply #152 - Jan 21st, 2016 at 9:38am
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Made a start - but a bit more time than I thought
Couldn’t find any lanoline at the supermarket - chemist had a 50mm bottle for $20 - then I remembered - an aerosol can of Prolan somewhere in the shed - bought for some metal protection ten years ago
Got in the eleven trap boxes that I wanted to modify - knocked one end out as well as the netting in the viewing end - that will become the new entrance - 85mm dia
Got the new mesh from a local garden centre - $3 for enough for eight - I had a couple of spares from previous - so back for a bit more tomorrow - if anyone ever wants some it is cheap and I can cut to size for posting - most suppliers wont cut a roll
Wire brushed the traps and coated in Prolan - they look fine
The pivot pin for the yellow foot plate looks to be the critical issue - they go rusty and the foot plate gets very sticky - a mouse or small rat probably wouldn't move it - might be worth putting lanoline on that pin from day one
Just need to staple on the new mesh and screw on the tops - and back into action - they certainly needed a clean up after a couple of winters
http://www.prolan.co.nz/products





  
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Reply #153 - Jan 23rd, 2016 at 1:29am
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Mickey Duck, good thinking but 3 diff cats between 9-30 / 1-30 however nothing for 3 nights, gutting a rabbit by the stoat trap bought them around (not the intended result) and the skins on the fence all disappeared as well.... so gut away from stoat traps bury 3 or 4 leg holds, hang rabbit meat and skins above on the fence that night.....(tip if the feral you've caught has a flea collar shoot it then run it over then chuck it out on the road) BX
  
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Reply #154 - Jan 23rd, 2016 at 3:11am
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Wink Wink WinkThats an oldy but a goody "Oh look, Twiddles got run over last night:("
  
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Reply #155 - Jan 23rd, 2016 at 3:32am
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BillyXmas wrote on Jan 20th, 2016 at 6:20am:
Cruz put up some photos of the trap alterations. Photos of the stoat trap last night a bloody Tom spraying all over it and sitting on the cat trap (cage time with sack over it. Chris are lamb bones any good for trapping cats been givin a lamb lots of scraps.


Probably but they do like fresh. Fresher the better
  
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Reply #156 - Jan 24th, 2016 at 7:34am
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Cruz, have you tried hanging your meat bait from inside the lid?
  
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Reply #157 - Jan 24th, 2016 at 8:44pm
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Appreciate your thoughts Bon - a bit difficult with the pivoting lid but maybe able to put a spike on the cross frame down by the mesh - might hang a chicken leg as I have run out of rabbits
I have put ten back out - most in new positions around the perimeter so I can check on the quad bike
At this stage I have put a bit of possum paste on the foot plate and three pp balls on some grass by the mesh - my main target now is rats as I think some may have been missed with the rusty trap pivot pin
I have cleaned the rust off the pivot pin but in retrospect maybe I should have biffed them - if you invest time in trapping they have to work well - will see
Now I have switched ends for access - the 85mm entry hole might be a bit big - may have to restrict the sides with a U shaped piece of 2.5mm wire stapled on the front - will see if quail  and other birds get in
I still have about fifteen bait stations on the ground or on logs with Contrac and very little bait moving so hope rats will be minimal - but they keep coming up out of a neighbours gully and get Snapped - but were not getting caught in the Victors that were rusted











  
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Reply #158 - Feb 8th, 2016 at 11:39pm
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Seems to have taken a week or so for the new trap positions to settle down - 8 kills in 17 traps at the farm yesterday - couple in Snap-E traps
The changes to the boxes and trap maintenance has made a real difference - hogs are getting in easily now - yuk!



  
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Reply #159 - Dec 23rd, 2016 at 8:56am
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Had to search a bit to find this thread so thought I would give it a heads up - it is too good to loose
Not much to report on trapping - the odd rat, the odd possum, a few hogs but mainly cats that keep on coming - sometimes a challenge to cage them
I have taken on a new challenge to remove magpies from around our rural block - always wondered why we had very few Kereru - but a couple of months back I saw magpies hounding a Kereru - so that was a bad mistake - very few magpies left now and we see Kereru flying around peacefully every day - those magpies are a vicious bird that chase Tui and Kereru
I am getting too many bird strikes with open traps so will build more boxes - have also changed from GN possum paste to Connovation “Smoothe in a Tube” - blue stuff it seems to be working and less attractive to birds - Billy Xmas recommends it
Friends down in Halcombe near Merrett’s place got a family of five stoats last week - one each night in a Doc200 - a fantastic result
I see Billy Xmas on Facebook yesterday picked up five ferrets down the middle of the road that someone had run over - an even more fantastic result - you can see him and his results on - https://www.facebook.com/groups/SouthHeadPestControl/ - he is an amazing trapper with 416 critters killed recently - it is a closed group but just apply and they will let you in
After 10 months away to repair a knee injury - I am back doing volunteer trapping at the local Quarry Park - so hope to get a few possums and rats
Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year to all you pest controllers 

  
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Reply #160 - Dec 26th, 2016 at 5:56pm
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Awsome thread we have serious ferret problems witch is a pain as we have huge numbers of quail getting around have a heap of those yellow box traps lying around might try get them out round the place in the new year
  
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Reply #161 - Jan 5th, 2017 at 6:55pm
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I have had this Doc250 for about two years - moved it all round the farm and never caught a mustilid in it - just hogs and rats - but never bothered to trap a small area down near the highway. I shifted it down there two weeks ago - beside a shelter belt with a nice clean dirt run sprayed out from the trunks to an adjacent electric fence - near 1km of easy travel for a mustilid or cat - with plenty of pheasant, quail and rabbits
First check last week showed a small hog - checked it yesterday - bingo - got a ferret - I run it with three pp balls and a leg of smelly rabbit
Nailed him on the post - maybe his mates or some stoats will check out the sweet ferret odour - I read that stoats are attracted to ferret scent





  
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Reply #162 - Jan 5th, 2017 at 10:56pm
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I have been plagued with rabbits this year. Saw a stoat down by the yards so set a cage trap with fresh rabbit. Bang. two little 'uns  peering out from under the sack the next morning. So set up the other trap and they have been flat out for the past 5 nights. Last night was the first with no stoats. 13 in all in 7 nights. Wondered where all the quail had gone Sad Sad Sad
  
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Reply #163 - Jan 6th, 2017 at 12:02am
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Great result XR,  Cool you have to keep after the little mongrels.
  

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Reply #164 - Jun 4th, 2017 at 8:14am
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Giving this tread a bump - too good to lose! - hope you game bird hunters nailed some predators while you were out hunting
Yesterday  - a cage is tripped - a cute wee face is looking out of the darkness - the full black plastic sheeting and big chunks of fresh bunny is doing the job - warm and dry in there
Had to go and get the Cooey to do some closeup work - tempted to put my hand in there to see if it was as friendly as it looked - but put the Cooey between the wires instead
Second one in that cage in the last few weeks - got one in a Doc250 round New Year and a stoat in a Victor Pro and in a Snap-E - along with a constant supply of cats and these buggars - little wonder the Quail have gone and Pheasants are well down in numbers
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Reply #165 - Jun 4th, 2017 at 9:12am
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Really enjoy your posts Cruz  Cool and they are motivational . Keep them up please. Wink Smiley
  
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Reply #166 - Jun 30th, 2017 at 8:55pm
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Cruz and Chris motivated me to go and buy some Victor professional rat traps that i have baited with Goodnature possum paste, cinnamon flavour. Question please... have you ever considered that the big plastic plate needs trimming ?
  
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Reply #167 - Dec 10th, 2017 at 8:18am
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I am not sure if you can see my photobucket pictures these days - I used the fix outlined by Alan - so I can see all my historic posts and pictures
I have had a good year on mustilids around my rural lifestyle block - 1 ferret in a doc250, 3 ferrets in cages, 1 stoat in a Snap-E trap, 1 weasel in a Snap-E trap - I cant remember how many cats in cages but must be close to 10 - God knows how many rats
The point I would like to make here - is try to find the sweet spot around the farm - along shelter belts and in warm dry spots - my best spot is under a short shelter belt in a windy saddle  four rows of trees to try to stop the wind - the pheasants and quail love it - as do the cats and now this ferret - I saw a cat slope off a couple of months back and it took me about a month to get her and another week to get him - they often live in pairs and sometimes with kittens
This ferret was a nasty buggar that would fly at me from one end of the cage to the other - he could snarl and bark - had to be pacified with the Cooey 
After many years of trying to create a haven for birdlife - we succeeded - but we failed through not living there - this year we found too many plastic wads and lost too many of our pet roosters - so we have sold the property and I will revert to trapping Public land - the Te Puna Quarry Park and I will also join the Friends of the Blade group on Doc land
Sad to think of what will happen to our birdlife, but I will try to get the new owner involved - five weeks to take-over - so I might be able to squeeze in a few more pictures of cats and mustilids


  
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Reply #168 - Dec 14th, 2017 at 12:18pm
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Salmoner wrote on Jun 30th, 2017 at 8:55pm:
Cruz and Chris motivated me to go and buy some Victor professional rat traps that i have baited with Goodnature possum paste, cinnamon flavour. Question please... have you ever considered that the big plastic plate needs trimming ?


Not a bad idea for more targeted strikes. The modified victors work on that principal and get more consistent strike locations on the head & neck with rats & head with stoats.

Putting paste bait in front of the bait well on the yellow treadle could result in non-lethal nose strikes. I have seen a DOC youtube clip showing trap baiting this way. I reckon it is better to have your bait in the bait well.

Trim 6 mm off the treadle all the way round & see how you go. Part of the fun of trapping is experimenting with lure & trap sets.
  
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