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Re: Stoat trapping seminar
Reply #15 - Sep 14th, 2013 at 10:47pm
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The Irony is not lost, chris.
Its just some hunters are not  s toatly committed.
They  are w easily distracted and their efforts are not enough fer ret to be effective on a trap line. Cheesy Cheesy
  

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Reply #16 - Sep 18th, 2013 at 7:16am
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Got a stoat today in a trap i had set in a rabbit hole he must of thought he was going to have rabbit for his lunch .Yet my doc 200+250 ive had set for a month only 1 hedgehog. Smiley
  
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Reply #17 - Sep 18th, 2013 at 7:58am
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hauraki hunter wrote on Sep 18th, 2013 at 7:16am:
Got a stoat today in a trap i had set in a rabbit hole he must of thought he was going to have rabbit for his lunch .Yet my doc 200+250 ive had set for a month only 1 hedgehog. Smiley


Stoats and ferrets can be fickle, nothing for ages and then one trap will catch a bunch. A useful tip, though not very practicle is to keep baits as fresh as possible. It's pretty hard to compete this time of the year with a wealth of young prey about- today I was able to abandon my truck and chase down (gazell like) a leveret. Took it back showed Max at the truck who was highly impressed (he's not allowed to chase them or their parents) and then I let the squeeling little hua go, proving I have more compassion than a stoat!
  
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Reply #18 - Sep 21st, 2013 at 6:09am
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Do the stoats change color in winter to white? Like an ermine or weasel here in the US?  They look similar and I have trapped a good # of them.  Are you allowed to use a lure at the traps as well as a bait?
  
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Reply #19 - Sep 21st, 2013 at 6:48am
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no they pretty much stay that color. you can use what ever you like, the more killed the better.
they are a major introduced predator here and take a heavy toll on native wildlife.
  
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Reply #20 - Sep 21st, 2013 at 8:19am
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I've trapped an ermine stoat here in NZ in the winter and seen others at times in my car headlights. 
  
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Reply #21 - Sep 21st, 2013 at 9:28am
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when I was in the employ of DOC I sorted through hundreds of trapped stoats from the BOP area.  No ermines in there but then I saw one on the Mangatoatoa hut clearing one day in June or July so there is the very odd one in that area-although to be fair MTT is pretty high elevation and pretty cold as well.  Maybe there are more again in the deep south?  Certainly I wouldn't expect too many in the winterless north Smiley
  

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Reply #22 - Sep 21st, 2013 at 10:31am
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not white ferrets?
  
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Reply #23 - Sep 22nd, 2013 at 7:53am
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Certainly not but i have trapped them also. They're albinos with pink eyes.
  
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Reply #24 - Sep 22nd, 2013 at 9:22am
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I've seen white stoats in winter Chris,South island.

Alaska hunter, the stoat is identical to your long tail weasel. Over most of NZ they don't change colour,just sometimes in the high country during winter.

If targeting stoats and rats ,I just use a Victor pro rat trap,at 8$ ea they are a far better proposition than DoC 200 or 250 which are over kill and bloody expensive.
  
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Reply #25 - Sep 22nd, 2013 at 7:49pm
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Bon, that is what I use as well.  I make a box with a 2.5 hole drilled in it about 2" up from the bottom to keep voles out and the trap set up against the front of the box, bait in the back.

I don't know about your ability to order or shipping costs, but a man by then name of Asa Lenon makes a great lure for the weasels.   I still use a small piece of duck or beaver for bait, but it isn't required with the lure.

This forum on trapping in the US has a lot of pictures and knowledge from folks who catch a lot.  Might be worth a read
http://www.trapperman.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/1034047/35

  
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Reply #26 - Sep 22nd, 2013 at 9:26pm
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chris wrote on Sep 21st, 2013 at 10:31am:
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no Chris definitely not as I am familiar with various ferret colour phases also.  I had a really good look for over a minutevand could clearly see the black tail tip, small size etc. 

I had a yarn to some of the DOC mustelid experts and they basically said the same as Bon. Uncommon but not unknown in SI and occasionally high elevation NI. I could hardly credit my eyes at the time either.

Anyone importing scent lures would have to be careful at the border with biosecurity especially if it has real animal product in it.
  

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Reply #27 - Sep 22nd, 2013 at 9:33pm
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well bugger me i never knew that! cheers guys.
yeah would be keen to find out more about this weasel lure. wonder if we can get it into the country.
  
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Reply #28 - Sep 22nd, 2013 at 9:47pm
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Chris,you could try making your own. They generally start with glands from beneath the tail and add whatever they think till they get something that works well. Most are closely guarded secrets.
  
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Re: Stoat trapping seminar
Reply #29 - Sep 22nd, 2013 at 10:20pm
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A while back I had a couple of trap placements that simply were never as effective as the other traps in the line, no matter what I did to adjust the location or bait etc. So I physically swapped the traps and boxes for other ones in the line that had sucessfully caught weasels. Within 48 hours, one trap had its first kills, and within 72 hours, so had the second one.

I can only think that by using traps that had fresh scent on it, encouraged the weasels to come and have a closer look, when they would have just kept going by.
  
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