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Aug 12th, 2013 at 5:11am
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To save endless questions (and people searching through pages and pages of torch threads Roll Eyes ) I thought I'd chuck together a very quick thread with links to the top products in each price point. Feel free to dispute anything below and we should end up with a list of only stuff worth looking at.

A bit about overseas resellers:
DX.com: Good range of products, prices are good but shipping times can be slow (anything from 2-6 weeks).

Fasttech.com: Fairly quick in terms of shipping (~2 weeks normally) . Excellent prices and still willing to sell Li-ion batteries although they must be sent via surface mail which takes 2-3 months.
Coupon code BLF gives 5% off most torch related items.

Aliexpress.com: Chinese version of eBay, you pay up front and the seller doesn't receive the money until you confirm arrival. See the SN6X-2s link below for the Maxtoch seller.


Torches
A60 - single 18650, narrow beam, long range, quality is not always the best but very good price
http://dx.com/p/jacob-a60-cree-q5-3-mode-310lm-white-led-flashlight-w-strap-blac....
Small Sun ZY-C10 - single 18650, zoom lens, wide or narrow, long range.
http://www.manafont.com/product_info.php/small-sun-zyc10s-cree-q5-3mode-floodtot....
Convoy C8 - single 18650, good output but medium range (100m for bunnies), good size spot so good as an all around .22 light.
http://www.fasttech.com/products/1601/10002364/1272100
Latest version of the SN6X-2 – takes 2 18650s, excellent range with good run-time, in the right conditions you can see rabbits out to 200m with these.
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/MAXTOCH-Sniper-M24-Lighter-Version-of-SN6X-2S-AR-....

Check out Mudgripz's reply below (number 11 and 18) for info for troubleshooting if your having issues.


Headlights:
Zebralight – Reliable and well thought out headlights. No zoom function but waterproof, lightweight and has excellent run-time and output for the size (18650 version same weight as a Lenser H7) with enough grunt to see something 100m away if needed.
http://www.zebralight.com or via Trademe
Ultrafire H6 – cheap alternative to 18650 Zebralights, still excellent but a couple of minor design issues.
http://www.ultrafire-shop.net/UltraFire_Shop.php?view=productPage&product=133

Somewhat bulky but reasonable run time and range make it a good all rounder.
http://www.fasttech.com/products/1602/10007455/1628300-singfire-l-05-1-cree-xm-l....

Lenser H7 knock-off – identical a Led Lenser H7, just as prone to eventually wearing out as the earlier H7 is but without the warranty. For all of $12 its worth grabbing one for the glove box.
http://www.fasttech.com/products/1602/10000407/1044501-zooming-cree-q5-200-lumen....


Batteries (18650) Note: the Panasonic cells are 1-2mm longer then normal and very slightly wider then normal so may not fit in all 18650 torches. They should fit in all of the above with minor alterations to torch tail-cap internals. Another note on Chinese cells: often the claimed capacity is "creative" marketing, the best Japanese cells are ~3000-3400mAh so anything claiming more is bogus.

Generally any of these batteries can be found on Trademe as well (for twice as much) so worth checking if you need them in a hurry. Generally anything less then $8 per cell off TM is garbage.

Trustfire 2400mAh (2300-2400mAh real)
http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10000377/1050702-trustfire-tf18650-3-7v-2400m....
Trustfire 3000mAh (2300-2600mAh real)
http://www.fasttech.com/products/1420/10000377/1053200-trustfire-tf18650-3-7v-30....
Sanyo 2600mAh (2500-2600mAh real)
http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10001901/1143802-sanyo-ur18650f-18650-2600mah....
Panasonic 2900mAh (2800-2900mAh real)
http://www.fasttech.com/product/1141000
Panasonic 3100mAh (2900-3100mAh real)
http://www.fasttech.com/products/1420/10001980/1141103
Panasonic 3400mAh (3100-3400mAh real, best 18650 on market but no where near as cheap as Trustfires)
http://www.fasttech.com/products/1420/10001980/1141104


Batteries ( Low Self Discharge or LSD AA and AAA)  AA and AAA rechargeables of old need recharging every couple of months regardless of use. Newer low self discharge cells retain around 80%+ of their charge for a year so don't need to be recharged if they haven't been used for while.

Some of the better brands are:
Sanyo / Panasonic Eneloop (no longer sold by Fasttech)
Camelion Alwaysready
Panasonic Infinity / Evolta
Maha Imedion

No links buts you should be able to find any of the above on Trademe, eBay (watch for counterfeits) or the local supermarket.

Enelong - Eneloop knock off... not as good as Eneloop but very cheap (may need to be shipped via surface mail).
http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10001963/1140600-enelong-12v-2100mah-pre-char....
http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10001963/1140601-enelong-12v-900mah-pre-charg....


Charges. You get what you pay for so I would advise against buying the cheapest you can find. Many of the cheaper models do not charge batteries separately and do not automatically stop charging once full which can pose a fire hazard and destroys the life and capacity of the batteries.

Trustfire: basic model, does the job, does not charge each cell independently though.
http://www.fasttech.com/products/1421/10000856/1073301-trustfire-tr-001-multi-pu....
Nitecore i2 Li-ion and Ni-MH / Ni-Cd charger, independent charging channels, will charge 18650s and AAs (4 slot version can be found in the drop down box on the same page).
http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10001638/1327201-nitecore-i2-lithium-li-ion-n....
Nitecore D4 Li-ion and Ni-MH / Ni-CD charger, newer version of the i2 and i4.
http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10001638/1756400-nitecore-d4-4-slot-digital-b....

NZ cord for i2 and i4 chargers:
http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10003189/1271000-au-plug-ac-power-adapter-cor....
UK, US to AU/ NZ adapter:
http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10002470/1182202-3-pin-au-us-uk-eu-to-au-trav....


Scope Mounts
A lot of guys now using this set-up (see possum-shooters images in reply 19 below) and has been found to be very effective.

One of these on your torch:
http://dx.com/p/25mm-gun-mount-5523
Remove (hacksaw) non weaver end of one of these and mount on the scope:
http://dx.com/p/universal-gun-mount-with-hex-wrench-33755
Or use one of these:
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/1-25mm-Ring-20mm-Mount-with-Weaver-Rail-for-Scope....
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Reply #1 - Aug 12th, 2013 at 5:25am
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Bloody good idea there MM, a lot of this stuff is often being repeated.  Smiley
  
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Reply #2 - Aug 12th, 2013 at 5:38am
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Awesome MM long overdue for this type of info , highly recommend those nitecore chargers I have the i4 u pay a little more for them , but they are well made and do AA,AAA and the 18650 as you've said
  

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Reply #3 - Aug 12th, 2013 at 7:05am
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Yep looks good to me.

Of the torches the Jacob A60, Small Sun C10 and little Convoy C8 are more rifle lights whereas the SN is rifle and long range spotlight. At 400gms latest SN is at the top weight for a scope mounted light for me (about same as led lenser P14), though a couple of boys I know mount 2x SNs off scopes!! But ... a lighter weight version due out in few months.

Couple of thoughts - Ben you might like to add this - now available here on trademe - to accessory mounts:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/sports/hunting-shooting/firearm-parts/mounts/auction-62...

And the other thought is to watch out for bogus maxtochs and skyrays - both imitated and sometimes to poorer quality level and output.
  
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mudgripz wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 7:05am:
Yep looks good to me.


Couple of thoughts - Ben you might like to add this - now available here on trademe - to accessory mounts:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/sports/hunting-shooting/firearm-parts/mounts/auction-62...


This might be a dumb question, but how does this mount work, is there another part that attatches to the torch and connects to the mount shown? I cant see how you wouls attatch a torch to that mount.

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skyline_glenn wrote on Aug 13th, 2013 at 8:13am:
This might be a dumb question, but how does this mount work, is there another part that attatches to the torch and connects to the mount shown? I cant see how you wouls attatch a torch to that mount.

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Put a weaver style scope ring on the torch and attach that to the above mount: this allows better clearance and removal / replacement of the torch without pissing around with allen keys etc.
  
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Excellent post MM Smiley

Maybe one of the mods could put this post at the top as a sticky  Smiley
  
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Excellent MM, I'm too lazy to import but this info. helps me to make informed buys on tardme, already have nitecore i4,good bit of kit. Well my lad, your efforts are to be rewarded, with a spring hunt on some easier country, have really appreciated the informative posts of yourself ,Mudgripz and other "torchaholics".  Smiley     Good call Alan to make it a sticky, thanks.  Smiley
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I use one of these - http://www.ledsunlimited.co.nz/led-torch-kit-lithium-re-chargeable-waterproof-cr...

They come with 2 18650 batteries, wall charger, and car charger and a nifty box to store all the bits.

This is brighter than my $200 Dereelight....
  
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Some notes from my experience for Maxtoch SN and other led torch owners...

Batteries

After using a variety of 18650 batts over 3-4 years, the Trustfire 3000 mAh (genuine 2500-2600) are good. They have enough milliamps to give XML grunters quite good runtimes.  Also good value at $8US+ from Fastways or $10+ from DX. Issues are that they will wear out with heavy use over time. Two sets of mine have broken down after 3 years solid use - so just bear this in mind. They fit all torches well.

The Panasonic 3100s I have - after a few recharges - give better runtimes. I run a dedomed and tweaked Maxi SN6X-2 at 177k lux and with Trustfires its around 55 minutes runtime, but with Panasonics its 81 minutes. I also have a Maxtoch SN6X-2X - the new limited edition bighead one - running at a huge 230k lux and at this level of tune it runs for 47 mins with Trustfires and 73 mins with Panasonics on full noise. This is a test bunny light.

Panasonics are near twice the price but better runtimes and likely will last longer. Key issue is their extra length which affects alot of torch makes - they may not switch on/off properly when tailcap screwed on. To cope with this you can loosen torch barrel from head a turn or so, and/or leave tailcap a turn looser.


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I have found the Maxis very reliable - a few tips to keeping them 100%:

*  When you get your new SN make sure the switch is screwed into tailcap firmly.
*  Do not apply any oils/greases to torch threads - the threads are contact points and almost all oils, greases etc are non conductive. Don't use graphite grease - does not work well either and also leads to switch on/off problems.
* Do use if necessary a little CRC, or graphite powder. They are conductive and will help on/off reliability.
* If you start to get on/off or mode change issues - check first that your tailcap switch is still firmly in place.
*  Then check your batts are still good. Swap in some known good or new batts and test torch with those. Batteries can break down, and so too can chargers - leaving you with only part charged batts.
* If issues continue, take off tailcap and clean threads in cap and on torch tube - remove any build up of crap. Then clean threads thoroughly with a little CRC and dry. Then get some fine wet and dry paper and run it over threads in tailcap and on tube. Then run it into and round the thread grooves on tube to recreate good contact.
*  Do this periodically to keep good contact

I've found these basic steps solve almost all aparent 'switch' issues. Hope that helps...please add any other ideas...
  
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mudgripz wrote on Sep 2nd, 2013 at 3:53am:
Some notes from my experience for Maxtoch SN and other led torch owners...

Batteries

After using a variety of 18650 batts over 3-4 years, the Trustfire 3000 mAh (genuine 2500-2600) are good. They have enough milliamps to give XML grunters quite good runtimes.  Also good value at $8US+ from Fastways Tech ?or $10+ from DX. Issues are that they will wear out with heavy use over time. Two sets of mine have broken down after 3 years solid use - so just bear this in mind. They fit all torches well.

The Panasonic 3100s I have - after a few recharges - give better runtimes. I run a dedomed and tweaked Maxi SN6X-2 at 177k lux and with Trustfires its around 55 minutes runtime, but with Panasonics its 81 minutes. I also have a Maxtoch SN6X-2X - the new limited edition bighead one - running at a huge 230k lux and at this level of tune it runs for 47 mins with Trustfires and 73 mins with Panasonics on full noise. This is a test bunny light.

Panasonics are near twice the price but better runtimes and likely will last longer. Key issue is their extra length which affects alot of torch makes - they may not switch on/off properly when tailcap screwed on. To cope with this you can loosen torch barrel from head a turn or so, and/or leave tailcap a turn looser.


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I have found the Maxis very reliable - a few tips to keeping them 100%:

*  When you get your new SN make sure the switch is screwed into tailcap firmly.
*  Do not apply any oils/greases to torch threads - the threads are contact points and almost all oils, greases etc are non conductive. Don't use graphite grease - does not work well either and also leads to switch on/off problems.
* Do use if necessary a little CRC, or graphite powder. They are conductive and will help on/off reliability.
* If you start to get on/off or mode change issues - check first that your tailcap switch is still firmly in place.
*  Then check your batts are still good. Swap in some known good or new batts and test torch with those. Batteries can break down, and so too can chargers - leaving you with only part charged batts.
* If issues continue, take off tailcap and clean threads in cap and on torch tube - remove any build up of crap. Then clean threads thoroughly with a little CRC and dry. Then get some fine wet and dry paper and run it over threads in tailcap and on tube. Then run it into and round the thread grooves on tube to recreate good contact.
*  Do this periodically to keep good contact

I've found these basic steps solve almost all aparent 'switch' issues. Hope that helps...please add any other ideas...


Great info there Muddy Smiley I ran some new trustfire 3000s in my sn6x 2s and they ran for bugger all. I'm hoping like for the panasonics they will get more runtime after a couple of charges, it was their first charge from new and probably only ran for 30mins or so.
  
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Sounds like something not right there Ruger - when I batt tested the new 2S it did over 100 mins with Trustfires. Is your charger ok?
  
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Probably not mate, it was a cheap piece of poo I got before I knew what kind to get. I will be buying one that you and MM suggested. The contacts on the charger are a bit naff so most likely the problem.
  
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Quick comment on some 18650 battery length problems in some lights.

Originally these 18650 batteries so named because were are 18mm wide and about 65mm long. But more recently with protected cells these batts can be 67mm long (Trustfire 3000s) or 69-70mm long (Panasonics), and while the 67mm Trustfires usually fit and switch operates correctly, the 69.4mm panasonics can give problems. Usually solved by loosening tube thread or tailcap by a turn or two.

The panasonic 2900/3100/3400s give good runtimes after a few charges and are becoming increasingly popular, so I've mentioned this issue to Maxtoch. They make this comment:

"We will adjust the length of spring and flashlight body in new model SN. In this case, the new model should be able to fit the longer batteries"
  
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That's great news they are listening to advice and are willing to make a few changes aye Muddy Smiley doubt there would be too many manufacturers like that.
I have a new charger on the way from fastTech Smiley

I'd appreciate a heads up when the new sn torches with the adapted springs etc.. come out. I might get 1 or 2 and some of those Panasonic 3400 batteries sound worth a go.
  
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Check with manualman which panasonics are best - some higher mAh batts like the 3400s may not be quite so good for runtime in some light setups. He might know details
  
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Just a reminder with so many people buying these lights now of the simple way to deal with too long batteries.

The maxtoch like most other 18650 lights was designed for standard length 18650 batts - i.e. 18mm wide and 65mm long. But the new protected cells like the panasonics etc are 69-70mm long and if you screw the tailcap tight on them the torch may cut out - lose contact.

Simple way to do it is put longer batts in, start to screw on tailcap, switch on light, then continue to screw on tailcap til light cuts out, then come back half a turn or so. End of problems.

Alternatively you can take switch with spring out of tailcap, clip spring back 4-5m and re-level it, then refit in cap.
  
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Picture of figure 8 mount after chop with 25mm gun mount.

You can rotate the chopped '8' 90 degrees on the scope and have the option of mounting two off the one mount on both side s of the scope.

Add one of these to your torches:
http://dx.com/p/25mm-gun-mount-5523
And take a hack saw to the non weaver end of one of these:
http://dx.com/p/universal-gun-mount-with-hex-wrench-33755

  
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How much spill does the A60 have?

I need a long range scope-mounted light for wallaby shooting, but finding the SN6X or C8 both give me too much glare back off the suppressor, so looking for a tight hotspot with minimal spill, but still more range than x2000 etc. (will be used in combination with a handheld SN6X)
  
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A60 has very tight little beam - should be ok.
  
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There is a holdup with transport of lithium ion batteries thru many airlines at the moment until they agree on new safe packaging processes. Some orders get thru from overseas companies, some don't.

My suggestion in the interim is buy from kiwi suppliers - dearer but wil get people started. I've no doubt the issue will get sorted as 18650 batts a very popular worldwide commodity. Main thing is don't buy crap brands like ultrafire off trademe.

Here are some better brands:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/electronics-photography/batteries/rechargeable/other/au....

http://www.trademe.co.nz/electronics-photography/batteries/rechargeable/other/au....

http://tacticaltorch.co.nz/store/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=54

http://www.mrpositive.co.nz/18650-lithium-ion-batteries/

Brands to look for - panasonic, Xtar, sanyo, nitecore and samsung. Note you'll need protected cells that have button tops. I read good reviews on the Sanyo 2600s recently and they're not too expensive at $22 a pair here. Watch for these better brand batts on trademe.

There are also Marsfire Sanyo 2600s showing up on trademe. A couple of reviews suggest they're ok - around 2400mAh genuine:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/electronics-photography/batteries/rechargeable/other/au....
  
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I’ve been reading this thread with interest as I want to buy a light for night hunting.  I know nothing about hunting lights and from reading the thread there seems to be a reasonable amount of prior technical knowledge apparent in the discussion so I’d like to check my understanding and learn a bit more from some of you knowledgeable folk.
It seems that  the Maxtoch SN6X-2 is one of the most recommended hunting lights with the upgraded SN6X-2s even brighter but heavier. And I see there is talk of a new lightweight light. I have read a lot about dedoming. Exactly what is this?  If it increases the light produced considerably, why don’t the manufacturers do it?  Is a dedomed light as reliable and long lasting as a factory produced one?  Who does  dedoming? Can any handyman/electrician do this?
With respect to chargers, why are some better than others? I can understand that difference in the quality of batteries. If the Panasonic batteries are too long for some lights, what other good quality alternatives would you recommend?
Thanks for your help.
  
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Reply #26 - Jan 13th, 2014 at 9:44am
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Having just gone down this track, here's what I'm finding or have found...

There really isn't much between the sn6x-2x and sn6x-2s in terms of useable output, both are f-ing bright...  However the 2x is slightly heavier and noticeably fatter at the front end - the extra diameter is in my opinion more of a hassle than the extra weight (but then I have no issue carting a heavy barrel rifle all day YMMV). 

Chargers, I got the Nitecore i4 basically so I can power it from virtually anything 12vDC-240vAC and charge from individual batts through to four at a time.  Little bit pricier than some others, but not much. 

Batteries, I got Panasonic protected 3400mA - here you might want to go for a smaller 3100mA or the like unprotected which are the 'true' 18650 batts (18mm diameter and 65mm long which is what the torches are designed for) not actually 18700 which the 3400mA measure at.  I'm making up some plastic spacing rings to make the torches the right length to fit the batteries as I have a lathe at home, if you don't just get batteries that fit.  The protected bit means you can't over-discharge the battery as the internal circuit turns off at a preset voltage like a modern cordless drill etc...

As far as dedoming, get the torch and see how it goes first.  It makes a difference having seen one that's been dedomed but it might not be of any major benefit to you.  Best to have a read up of the info on google for the background.

I've come from LED Lenser and Coast type/brand torches to the Maxtochs, as good a build quality as good or better performance but at a fraction of retail counter price for the name brands.  Less frilly crap with it though.

Oh yeah, be prepared to wait.  Took near 7 weeks for mine to turn up from China...
  
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Thanks for that Mauser, but could you please explain exactly what dedoming is?
  
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It's removing the blob of glue that sits on top of the LED
  
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Thanks Rugerman. if it makes such a difference why doesn't the manufacturer do this?
  
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It changes the colour of the light, and the way the light exits the LED chip.  In essence, dedoming is like fitting a new ute with a lift kit and lumpy tires.  Some need it, some do it cause they can others don't bother...
  
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Backcountry Bob, if you can wait a bit I would, since the new lighter version of the sn6x2 will be out shortly and should be better than sliced bread as well as the cats pajamas, the bees knees and the dogs danglers Smiley

MudGripz will let us know ( Hint Hint Muddy  Grin ) when they are out
  
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Thanks Rugerman. yes I figured that from reading the thread. I think I'll wait for the review of the new light before making a decision.
  
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Well, it will come down to the new one and the 2s.  Light for light with the 2s and 2x side by side (or my ones anyway), sod all between them...



  
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The 2S measures at about 70k lux and the 2X 96k. Because they are both very bright the  difference is not so apparent until you test them at 150m plus. From there the extra 30% of grunt shows with the 2X.

The new lightweight is in final testing at Maxtoch, then it will come over here for our field test. Will be about 80k lux and 290-300gms where the 2S is presently 70k and 400gms. Should be an excellent spottie and scope light with both v good distance throw plus wide beam.

Dedoming - popping the silicon bubble off the top of the LED - usually increases the lux output about 110%, so the new lightweight should be around 170-180 dedomed. ANSI distance measurement about 850 meters. Dedoming doesn't harm anything - takes gadgetman here 5 minutes. The present 2S dedomed jumps to about 155k on average. you can use them as they come or dedomed - they're great either way. Dedomed is alot more light on target past 200m.

From now I'd tend to be waiting for the new SN lightweight. Should be a goodie.
  
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Have got the old model. Sounds ancient. Waiting for the new one. Ok so what we will need on batteries and will there be any hassle getting them. Will the long batteries charge on an XTAR? Thanks.






  
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Have got the old model. Sounds ancient. Waiting for the new one. Ok so what we will need on batteries and will there be any hassle getting them. Will the long batteries charge on an XTAR? Thanks.


Yip... bit tight but they fit. I noticed Fasttech was stocking Xtar for a couple of months but have now labeled them as discontinued or sold out. Wonder why?

As for Li-ion battery availability it looks like Fasttech is shipping again but only via Malaysia post.
  
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There have been occasional instances of the tailcap switch dying in the earlier SNs after they have been used for a year or so. Spoke about this to maxtoch and they have sent over couple of dozen freebie replacement switches. So if anyone has this problem send me a pm and I will post you a new one.

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[quote author=515C515E595D515C300 link=1376284285/10#10 date=1377831780]I use one of these - http://www.ledsunlimited.co.nz/led-torch-kit-lithium-re-chargeable-waterproof-cr...


What is the body diameter on these? Will a standard weaver ring fit?
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So how long until I can get a couple of the new Maxtochs?

Do we order from China or does someone here do a bulk and get a margin? (which I would be happy with)
  
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[quote author=515C515E595D515C300 link=1376284285/10#10 date=1377831780]I use one of these - http://www.ledsunlimited.co.nz/led-torch-kit-lithium-re-chargeable-waterproof-cr...


What is the body diameter on these? Will a standard weaver ring fit?
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Yes will fit no problem, feel free to contact Brendon at LedsUnlimited
  
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So how long until I can get a couple of the new Maxtochs?

Do we order from China or does someone here do a bulk and get a margin? (which I would be happy with)


Mine took around 2 weeks
  
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DavidC wrote on Mar 31st, 2014 at 5:56am:
So how long until I can get a couple of the new Maxtochs?

Do we order from China or does someone here do a bulk and get a margin? (which I would be happy with)


They are all sold out at the moment but the new Sniper version will be out soon.  Mudgripz will let us know when they are available again  Smiley
  
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New Maxtoch M24 Sniper now in production and sample on its way here for testing shortly. Will put full detail plus pics on the Maxtoch upgrade thread later today. Maxtoch have taken our guidelines 100% and it has a number of performance features which make it very light and very powerful.

Regarding basic little narrow beam rifle lights I think the Jacob A60 is probably still about the best option. Fair quality but v high performance - here's a recent review:  http://budgetlightforum.com/node/30077

It's no all-purpose paddock scanner/spotlight/rifle light like the maxtochs but its a good wee rifle light. I expect its range will be well past the $69 one mentioned above - that deal looks ok but its more like the little zoomie X2000s of 2-3 years ago.
  
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yes im after a headlight, the lenser h5s are 39 bucks at the mo any good.
  
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yes im after a headlight, the lenser h5s are 39 bucks at the mo any good.


Hey Quackers, my mates and I all use these and swear by them. http://www.dx.com/p/flood-to-throw-3-mode-cree-q3-led-headlamp-1-18650-44277#.U0...
  
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I agree - we've used heaps of the headlamps alanimal mentions above and they are darn good wee lights. Near zero problems too.  Basic 18650 zoomie lamp with genuine 80-100m bunny spotting in clear conditions.

Hinge could be stronger and broke it on mine, but had to smack my scone and h/lamp on truck several times to do it. Bit of bluetack and good as new.

This next one is a real goodie - an XML led with greater lumens output but still only likely 350-400 lumens and not the 868 stated. Nicely made lamp. OK in standard form, but being an XML led it has its party trick and with a 10 min dedome it becomes a very good thrower headlamp - while retaining good beam width. Mine reaches 300m+ and will light up bunnies well past 100m. Runs on 2 18650 batts for good runtime.

http://www.dx.com/p/cree-xm-l-t6-868lm-3-mode-white-light-headlamp-black-2-x-186...

Best I've seen to date but you do must to get gadgetman/manualman to dedome it for top performance. This one appears to come w two basic batts also.
  
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mint headlamp - might just have to get one soon to add to my hoarding collection of torches!!

what is this talk about dedoming??
  
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These torches of course all operate on LEDs - or light emitting diodes. They are tiny  - just 2-3mm across and are covered with a convex dome of silicon gel.

When this dome is removed it has the effect of lowering the total light output (lumens) a little (not a worry with high output XML LEDs), it warms the colour to a more halogen type tint, and increases beamspot intensity (lux or candela) by about 110%. Quick and easy.

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it appears Fasttech, Banggood and DX are all exporting 18650s via malaysia post. Good to grab them at these cheaper prices while we can - DX stocking appears to be running pretty slow.

  
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agh ok cool - I should probably get all my hunting torches and headlamps done, recommend anyone?
  
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For those who shoot short distances for possums or rabbits, esp spooky ones I can reccomend this torch. Red, single mode. Range is respectable. 50m Max for shooting but will pick up eyes a little further out.

http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/6070513545.html

I run one under my barrel when a white light just spooks them.

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does anybody have any recommendations for a scope mounted led torch suitable for shooting rabbits up to 100m with a 22? prefer aaa batteries rather than the single battery job just for ease of access.
  
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nz wrote on Aug 15th, 2014 at 11:59pm:
does anybody have any recommendations for a scope mounted led torch suitable for shooting rabbits up to 100m with a 22? prefer aaa batteries rather than the single battery job just for ease of access.


If you can I recommend going with at least AA. AAAs simply don't have the grunt and run-time to be near as practical as the larger batteries. A good pair of rechargeable 18650s will pay for themselves after about 20 hours use compared with alkaline AAs.

Probably about the best you will do off AAAs: http://www.fasttech.com/products/1601/10000622/1044800-romisen-rc-u8-cree-xp-e-r...


On another note once the battery issues have been sorted out I'll flick the mods a revised list of bits and pieces, including the new SN6X2 / M24 and a few headlights to update the thread with. Probably a bit overdue. Roll Eyes
  
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thanks for the info. maybe i will look for a rechargeable model?
  
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Is this a "true 1600 lumens" torch?

scottrods wrote on Apr 21st, 2014 at 11:29pm:
For those who shoot short distances for possums or rabbits, esp spooky ones I can reccomend this torch. Red, single mode. Range is respectable. 50m Max for shooting but will pick up eyes a little further out.

http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/6070513545.html

I run one under my barrel when a white light just spooks them.

Recently lost it on the farm. So ordering another.

  
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Manual might correct me but I think that Q5 led light probly misses claimed 1600 lumens by about -1400 lumens.....

May still do the trick though. Ben - what is the best distance red led/lens option you've come up with to date? Someone else asking about these.
  
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Is this a "true 1600 lumens" torch?

scottrods wrote on Apr 21st, 2014 at 11:29pm:
For those who shoot short distances for possums or rabbits, esp spooky ones I can reccomend this torch. Red, single mode. Range is respectable. 50m Max for shooting but will pick up eyes a little further out.

http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/6070513545.html

I run one under my barrel when a white light just spooks them.

Recently lost it on the farm. So ordering another.



As Mike says... wont be anywhere near that: as its red its likely to be around 120-150 lumens. Best you can get with red Cree LEDs is about 250-300 but requires copper and around 2 amps vs standard 1 amp of current.
In a c8 reflector (40mm across, one above is around 25mm I think?) range is about 100m on bunnies.
From memory the last one I made was around 20k lux. The think I like about them is they pick up bunny eyes like nothing else and the rabbits seem to be non the wiser. Cheesy
  
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nz wrote on Aug 15th, 2014 at 11:59pm:
does anybody have any recommendations for a scope mounted led torch suitable for shooting rabbits up to 100m with a 22? prefer aaa batteries rather than the single battery job just for ease of access.

A60 still does job very well. Wink
  
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ok so i have taken your much appreciated advice and ordered 2x a60's. now which batteries should i use? i get they should be panasonics or samsungs, but protected/unprotected? button top/flat top? there is a guy on trademe selling protected and unprotected samsungs and one set is 4mm longer than the other. will both fit the a60 torches? thanks in advance....
  
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The trustfire batteries will be fine in the A60.  Links to batteries in the first post on this sticky
  
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thanks for that. unfortunately fast tech don't seem to have a shipping option for batteries? i will keep a look out on trademe.
  
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Jacob A60 has a pencil beam so not a paddock scanner but it is a good 22 scope light - popular for this job and deserves to be. Lower lumen output than the Maxtoch XML chipped lights means you can use cheaper 18650 batts. I think avoid ultrafire, but trustfire as noted above often very useful - trustfire blues, trustfire 2400 flames or 3000s.

Only potential downside is quality can be variable but at $15 or so each that's not a worry.
  
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My head is swelling from all the torch info on here, I've been reading for the past 3 days about these Maxtoch things, have the 'new sniper' things come out yet? And or are the older models still available? And who is interested in getting one, if I'm putting an order in I might as well get a handful of them.
  
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Panasonic 3100/3400, Samsung, Sanyo, Nitecore, Xtar. Should be 2600mAh upwards, and 3100/3400 panas best for runtime in XML lights.

Not ultrafires - rating claims all crap.
  
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Reply #67 - Oct 13th, 2014 at 3:31am
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mudgripz wrote on Oct 1st, 2014 at 9:42pm:
Panasonic 3100/3400, Samsung, Sanyo, Nitecore, Xtar. Should be 2600mAh upwards, and 3100/3400 panas best for runtime in XML lights.

Not ultrafires - rating claims all crap.


Cheers for that.  I have ordered some panasonics from trade me and have resisted buying the cheap knock off batteries.
  

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Reply #68 - Oct 27th, 2014 at 3:59am
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I will just include this info here in the torch reference sticky - its also in the maxtoch thread:

Now - an answer back from Richard and Lisa at Mountain Electronics re 18650 battery supply from USA.

She says they have freighted packs of 8 x 18650 batts out this way without problems and notes the following cost for 8 panasonic 3400 protected buttontops:

"When buying 8 batteries, the price per battery is $9.15 per cell (Panasonic NCR18650B Protected 3400mAh), making the price $73.20. Plus shipping costs of $18.20 for a total of $91.40US. If that is something you would like to do, let me know and I will send you a paypal invoice. Lisa."

This is $91.40US for 8 pana 3400s, or about $114NZ, or about $14.30 each = $28.60 for two. By comparison trademe is $34.95 a pair plus $5 post = $39.95 for two. So the mtnelectronics price 28% lower. If anyone is interested email Richard/Lisa there and quote the above price to Mike in NZ. I guess $114 for 8 pana 3400s (the best batt you can get) not too bad as they will last for many years.

If buying from Maxtoch someone has to organise a group buy of 30 to make it worthwhile. 30 Maxtoch (panasonic) 3100s x $6.50US each = $195US + maybe $80US freight = $275US. This means about $350NZ or about $23 a pair shipped. Bit cheaper than mtnelectronics in US but the hassle of a group buy.

If buying for just myself and planning to use 18650 lights for few years I'd be talking to Richard/Lisa at mtn.

http://www.mtnelectronics.com/opencart/index.php?route=product/product&path=80&p....

PS ... just runtime tested the maxtoch branded (panasonic) 3100s - gave same runtime as the green panas. Good product.

  
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Reply #69 - Dec 4th, 2014 at 7:13pm
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What is the best head lamp and where from ? Need to buy 2. My son has lost his torch and so thought it was opportune to explore the Chinese option.Thanks.
  
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Reply #70 - Dec 6th, 2014 at 9:29pm
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I went with Zebralight ordered off the web site.  One AA model for in the hut and a 18650 model for walking at night.  If you click on the "Compare All Models" link on the left it opens a spreadsheet that compares all the models.  I went with the warmest LED option even though it's not quite as bright.

http://www.zebralight.com/

  

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Reply #71 - Dec 7th, 2014 at 7:18am
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If going the Zebralight route (excellent IMHO) check out the NZ distributor (Trademe) as you may find prices are the same as if ordering from Overseas.

Cheaper alternative to the Zebralight is this:
http://www.ultrafire-shop.net/UltraFire_Shop.php?view=productPage&product=133
Very good but there are a couple of little design issues (not enough space for rear o-ring so its easy for it to pinch and break when replacing the battery, low frequency driver makes fast moving objects have an strobe like effect).

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Reply #72 - Dec 7th, 2014 at 9:35pm
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What does one do if their Sniper has shat itself?

It wouldnt stay on (bright) then went very very dim for 5 mins or so now zero.

I swapped out the switch and the batterys and no go.

Out of the 4 I got it had to be my one with the problem dammit!
  
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Reply #73 - Dec 7th, 2014 at 10:56pm
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Check out Mudgripz reply on troubleshooting (number 11 on the first page of this thread).

One test you can do quickly is grab a piece of wire or something conductive and with the tailcap off stick it across the back of the battery connecting it to the exposed aluminum on the end of the torch body. Although you've replaced the tailcap its worth checking this to make sure both are making contact correctly.
  
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Reply #74 - Dec 9th, 2014 at 8:51am
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And you can also pm gadgetman and send it to him - he could dedome it at same time if you wish.
  
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Thanks, I have tried everything and its still sh*t! 

I am going to grab my Bros one and swap out some bits to see what happens.

I believe it was Manual Man who de domed it for me, in Trentham? He did 3 at the time.  I will need to look to make sure I have the right bloke.
  
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Now that you mention it I'm fairly sure your right about me de-domed them. If so it may well be the LED after all. You should be able to check with a magnifying glass (the two small gold wires on the LED should be connected to one edge of the yellow stuff, there is another wire off to the side but that can be ignored).

I'm down south at the mo and wont be home for another 3 or 4 weeks (internet access is also intermittent) but if you don't need it in a hurry you can flick it in the post to my address (PM incoming) and I'll get onto it as soon as I'm home.
  
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Reply #77 - Dec 23rd, 2014 at 6:15am
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Anyone have any experience of these

http://www.supertorch.com/en/index.php
  

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Reply #78 - Dec 23rd, 2014 at 9:23am
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Heider lights are bogus, a total scam.

Their claims for lights are bullsh*t, and they steal beamshot pictures from other good companies to show much greater performance than their own piddly lights can achieve. E.g. using beamshots of a powerful multi-led Fenix TK70.

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/11125

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/28031

A big ripoff. The Heider CF1 for $60 or so is actually a cheapie sipik sk68 worth round $7. Cheap chinese lights given a german name and sold to unsuspecting punters for maybe 10x the value.
  
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headcase wrote on Jan 2nd, 2015 at 3:30am:
Just for the record.. at MGs request.

headcase wrote on Dec 25th, 2014 at 11:40am:
The H14, H14r and H14r2  are wicked headlamps that comes wit some negative points..

The price, its awesomely expensive..

The various broken wires that can occur due to wire over hardpoints, eg exit from hard battery case.

A tendency to turn on unnoticed due to the pressure on/off switch easily manipulated.. very annoying and possibly a liability. One can discontent the plug in wiring between battery and socket but should one have too?

Having to remember how one switches between all the different light outputs and mode combinations is basically a pain in the arse, in the H14r2

The apparent inability to recharge the battery in the batery case from a wall charger, in the H14r AND h14R2 model.

The non stocking of second or replacement battery's by the distributor for the H14r2..

The inability to recharge normal rechargeable battery's in battery case in the H14r2, only the factory delivered battery can be recharged due to some fancy wiring.



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headcase wrote on Dec 26th, 2014 at 1:34am:
I have all three of the above Lensers Num, and use them almost every night,, they are actually good headlamps but as mentioned above their worth is seriously affected by the above mentioned faults or lack of thought..

The r2 is used first until battery is down and then out comes the r model dedomed which has a bright light but pencil thin beam on full focus. I use it at a bit of a wider beam so it has a slightly wider field of view..

The r2 modell comes with the larger 18650 batts, two of them sealed together as a special little package. They are rechargeable without removing them from the battery case..

I then purchased two Panasonic 18650 battery's , trade me, thinking Id be able to charge them in the Lenser battery pack as well, so then having plenty of battery for the whole 5 or 6 hours I often shoot.. No such luck, the way the pins are wired in the battery case, only the lenser factory battery pack can be charged.. What cocks.. now I have to go and buy a separate charger to charge the Panasonics, which do work when charged.  Roll Eyes Its the  little bit of thoughtlessness and factory brand protection,  in the construction that really does piss me off.

One day Ill get round to ordering a  XML headlamp. , but things move slowly in this universe..  Roll Eyes

Ive seen the Maxtoch M24 your discussing from another member and the beam is impressive.




  

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PM me your address headcase and I'll send you down a maxtoch to test out. Do you want an M24 (smaller scope mountable) or a 2X - bigger, more power.
  
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Here is a NZ company selling Panasonic 3400 protected cells alot cheaper than trademe. You'd need to ask about freight costs:

http://www.thegadgetguys.co.nz/index.php/p-12492-panasonic-18650b-battery-w-pcb?...
  
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some great info on here, and it has lead me to ordering the Maxtoch m24, cant wait to see what the hype is about. ill say i will be de doming it too. i have read through, but still am just slightly confused about what batteries to use? as some say some are good but others say they dont fit properly etc. am thinking the Panasonic 3100s will be good but what have people found to be the best, for run time, light, and which actually fit properly? I will probably buy locally off trademe. also difference between protected and unprotected? cheers
  

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Reply #83 - Jan 22nd, 2015 at 6:32pm
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3100mah or 3400 are both good for the Maxtoch torches and as far as I know these have no issues in the M24's, only issues in the older model torches.
Go with the protected batteries.
Pleased we managed to talk you out of a Lenser  Grin
  
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Cheers possum shooter. Would anyone happen to have or know of any videos of this light in action?
  

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PM me your address headcase and I'll send you down a maxtoch to test out. Do you want an M24 (smaller scope mountable) or a 2X - bigger, more power.


M24 would be nice..  Smiley

Seem to be having some problems with the light quality and brightness on the Lenser H14r2 .

The light doesnt seem as bright or as focused. It was round to begin with but theres a definate square shape developing. Especially the bottom edge which is tuning into a distinguishable   straight line.

This headlamp is only one year old, but has probably seen a 1000 hours of use at full beam in that time.

I read somewhere that the chips degrade over time.. what do you think.

Ive now started using the dedomed H14 more often as it now appears brighter than the r2.. and can be focused into a nice beam.

If after one year the chip is buggered, id consider it pretty poor for a $350 headlamp.
  

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I have a h14 and would like to no how to dedome it? And does this give a power increase or cause any probs?
  
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Gives a brighter , warmer light. Same power consumption. The beam on mine also is tighter.
  

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Ok but how do I dedome it?

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Go to aliexpress wesite and type in ' Maxtoch m24  sniper'
  
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ok , what's some options for mounting  my new maxtoch   above the scope?    sitting on the workbench looking plenty useless at the mo lol Roll Eyes
  
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See the bottom of the first page and first post. Wink
  
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Manual Man wrote on Feb 12th, 2015 at 6:05am:
See the bottom of the first page and first post. Wink


Arrh , cheers .  Some high scope mounts and a weaver type mount . 
Maxtoch would sell a few torch mounts if they made them.......  Wink
  
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Just a word of caution - a site recommended a while back is giving problems - weird multiple order stuff when only one item ordered and bank rejecting business:

http://www.thegadgetguys.co.nz

Take care..

Cheapest reliable bet I know of to get panasonic 18650s is from US:

http://www.mtnelectronics.com/

...and a quick comment too - Richard at Mountain Electronics in the US (above) has M24s at just $62.99 at the moment - amazing price. Don't know freight but would be much quicker than Chinapost and could work out v well buying two or more.
  
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Have an M24 on the way from MTM,
I  thought the Gadgetguys battery prices were too cheap for NZ, thanks for the headsup.
  
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In answer to some questions on headlamps, here's a couple of useful options for very few $$:

These are a couple of generic headlamps appearing under various names. My version of the first one is dedomed and now has very good 325m range for a headlamp:

http://www.dx.com/p/singfire-sf-522-cree-xm-l-t6-1000lm-3-mode-white-light-headl...

And this is lighter, is a zoom head, and though basic in build gives quite good performance:

http://www.dx.com/p/raysoon-rs-q5-cree-xp-e-q5-250lm-3-mode-white-zooming-flashl...

We've used both lots and they've done very well. They are cheap chinese items and you takes your chances, but they have been alot more reliable than led lenser headlamps 10-15 times their price.
  
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Here's a vid of a guy testing out a dedomed M24 from Richard at Mountain Electronics in the States. Same torch and dedoming we use.

He's certainly a good ol boy from the deep south but he does show you the light. Camera somewhat unclear but you'll get an idea. He was watching deer walk around clearly at 400 yds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ewVMgnS9AI

The M24 in this test ran at 190-200k lux. A dedomed 2x with U3 runs at 290-300k.
  
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Can someone give me a suggestion to mount a M24 on a 1 inch scope please. ??
  

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Can someone give me a suggestion to mount a M24 on a 1 inch scope please. ??


I have this on order:
http://www.top-gear.co.nz/shop/LIGHTING+EQUIPMENT/TORCHES/Torch+Accessories/Cyta...
Looks promising, I'll do brief review when arrived & tested.
  
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Can someone give me a suggestion to mount a M24 on a 1 inch scope please. ??


Check the first page of this post HC.  I did a post on what I use and the links still work
  
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Hi Guys

Just for extra info. I just bought a Ultrafire C8 XM-L2 u3+ lithium battery + battery charger + extra battery for $40NZD
fromt this site:

google 'lightmalls' (not enough posts to post links yet)

Its like deal extreme for flashlights

Apparently faster shipping than deal extreme (not free but only $5US to NZ)
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Ok so I finally succumbed and decided to purchase a maxtoch torch - went to aliexpress and put in an order - boom order cancelled due to a security risk. WTF tried different email and stuff but still the same pallava - anyone got any suggestions? ??? Sad
  

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Got my maxtoch... holy shit is all I can say!!! Another giant leap for mankind!!! Can't seem to find amaxtoch headtorch... What's the latest??
  

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I am currently sorting an issue with the latest Maxtoch H01 headlamp I received from AliXpress. The battery well inside the headlamp is precisely 18.6mm in diameter, measured with an internal bore mic. Which means it'll only take non protected 18650's as the industry standard for non protected is 18.4mm in dia. The industry standard for protected 18650's (according to wiki Wink)is 18.6mm. Now my Panasonic and Samsung protected 18650's are actually 18.68mm across the fat part (the bit where the flat conductor from the base comes up the side of the battery to the protection circuit hidden under the button top). So there ain't no way they are going to fit properly Shocked Shocked Shocked. I did manage to get one 18650 inside, but as you can guess it was the devils job getting it out again, as I had to prize it out with a sharp blade digging into the side of the battery, which has buggered the 18650. I don't want to use the non protected, due to the fire risk. Will report back when I get an answer from them. May have to throw it in the lathe and bore it out a bit, but that's a fair bit of farting around for a $35 torch, even though when it was going it was pretty nice.  Rugerman wrote on Sep 18th, 2015 at 10:54pm:
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XR - we've had no issues with the little HO1 but yours sounds like a production fault. Get onto amanda, tell her mike told you to talk to her and I'm sure she'll fix it quickly. Very good customer service.
  
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Yep, I've sent them pics showing the inside diameter so they can make their decision on what to do with it:)
  
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I sent her an email also.
  
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Hello XR

What batteries are you using? We have had some issues with Samsung fit in a couple of lights. Can you try a panasonic or trustfire. What is the exact caliper width of the samsung.

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Hi XR

Send it down to Brian or me and we'll have a look at light. Mine works with Maxtoch 3100s and pan 3100s - firm fit but they go in and tap out alright. Maybe we need a wee design tweak - just an extra 0.5mm or so to accomodate protected battery variation.

There was a time when torch tubes had to be made a wee bit longer to accomodate the longer protected buttontop 18650s - it may be some of these battery makes are a wee bit wider now too.

I'm sure your measurements are good but pop it down, we'll check it too, arrange for Amanda to send another if necessary, and suggest a small design change if that's what's needed.

Have already suggsted the next model of the little HO1 is lighter.

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I have been using a H01 for a while and love it so decided to get my GF one ..... went to put batteries in it last night and they don't fit! They were a snug fit in my first H01 but the new one they don't have a chance of fitting. I have both Panasonic protected from Mountain Electronics and AliExpress. I have already confirmed order a few weeks ago so guess I  am stuck with it ....... All my other Maxtoch gear is better than awesome though!
  

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Don't worry about that Paul - that has clarified the smaller tube issue. Have just emailed amanda - they will correct production, and I expect you will get replacement lights pronto. 

Looks like their subbie making tubes may have altered the lathe by half a mil - not something you'd easily pick up. A nuisance - but very rare for them.
  
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XR and Paul - Amanda is sending you new HO1 lights - likely with a 2600mAh batt that fits. In the interim the HO1 may not be sold here until tube is made wider so it can accomodate more battery types.
  
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That's brilliant mudgripz ...... cant beat that sort of service!  Smiley
  

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No thanks... just a bit of fun developing ideas - kind of like modding rifles or 4x4s which we also do.  Smiley
  
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Maxtoch have taken the litle H01 headlamp off market briefly to make sure batt tubes will be 0.5mm wider so the light can take all batts. Paul Stenning and XR will get new lights as soon as tweak done.
  
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I have used this for scope mounting the maxtoch. Works great.



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What the story with AliExpress not shipping to NZ. When you click on the link for the Maxitor H101 it says "cannot deliver to NZ"???
  
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mudgripz wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 12:34am:
Maxtoch have taken the litle H01 headlamp off market briefly to make sure batt tubes will be 0.5mm wider so the light can take all batts. Paul Stenning and XR will get new lights as soon as tweak done.



Any update on a good quality Headlamp? Why can't we get a T6 XML with big wide thrower and twin batteries?
I'm using a T6 XML attached to my Farmbike helmet and its not got the throw of my M24, or the longetivty.
  

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possum_shooter wrote on Sep 21st, 2015 at 7:44am:
Mudgripz should be on commission as the nz agent for Maxtoch  Grin

Or else a huge crate of beer they do with advice, assistance and modding. True top blokes those Pixies. Wink
  
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scottrods wrote on Jun 7th, 2016 at 7:14am:
mudgripz wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 12:34am:
Maxtoch have taken the litle H01 headlamp off market briefly to make sure batt tubes will be 0.5mm wider so the light can take all batts. Paul Stenning and XR will get new lights as soon as tweak done.



Any update on a good quality Headlamp? Why can't we get a T6 XML with big wide thrower and twin batteries?
I'm using a T6 XML attached to my Farmbike helmet and its not got the throw of my M24, or the longetivty.


I'm liking the look of this torch and carrying spare battery packs, would mount it on my farmbike helmet. http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Bicycle-led-Bikelight-2000LM-CREE-XM-L2-LED-headl...
  

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scottrods wrote on Jun 7th, 2016 at 7:44am:
scottrods wrote on Jun 7th, 2016 at 7:14am:
mudgripz wrote on Sep 26th, 2015 at 12:34am:
Maxtoch have taken the litle H01 headlamp off market briefly to make sure batt tubes will be 0.5mm wider so the light can take all batts. Paul Stenning and XR will get new lights as soon as tweak done.



Any update on a good quality Headlamp? Why can't we get a T6 XML with big wide thrower and twin batteries?
I'm using a T6 XML attached to my Farmbike helmet and its not got the throw of my M24, or the longetivty.


I'm liking the look of this torch and carrying spare battery packs, would mount it on my farmbike helmet. http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Bicycle-led-Bikelight-2000LM-CREE-XM-L2-LED-headl...


Use a very similar one from Ali Express for night mountain biking. Good light and get about 2 hours on full power.
You must remember that Chinese lumins are smaller than european ones though.
  

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You must remember that Chinese lumins are smaller than european ones though.


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I got everything the night core D4 about a month ago and am very happy with it
  
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+1 very good charges, purchased mine from Fasttech from memory.
  
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a very similar one from Ali Express for night mountain biking. Good light and get about 2 hours on full power.
You must remember that Chinese lumins are smaller than european ones though.


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Those bicycle lights from Aliexpress are cheap 'cause the battery packs are very poorly constructed. I've got 4, 2 Maxtoch (no longer made) and 2 clones. They look like the WalE character. The lights themselves throw fantasticallyn (for such tiny lights) as they have reasonably decent reflectors built into them. The buttons are not robust, so be careful with them. One has collapsed, and its only been used 4 times. One has had the 4 x 18650 battery pack fail completely (charger no longer recognises the battery pack) and that light has only been used 5 times. Mind you they only cost $25, so what do you expect.
Finally, they are a very noisy light electronically. They emit heaps of interference, for GoPro's, hand held radios and the battery FM radio in the shed.

But for shear output from such a tiny light they are hard to beat. Just have to permanently wire them up to the motor bike now. That's going to require rectifiers,capacitors and voltage converters Shocked Should be worth it in the end
  
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what is the latest battery we are supposed to buy now.
I need to buy some new ones.
  

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hi all, time for my first post.
i "inherited" the repairs of all things electrical from a major sporting goods chain and repair mountains of torches and spotlights for them. from halogen, led thru h.i.d i've seen and repaired 100's of them along with electronic decoys, noise cancelling earmuffs etc. to be honest maxtoch is the way to go as far as led torches go. i was blown away by them and they made my led lenser look like a yellow candle.
  
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Yep the Maxtoch 2X is the best all-purpose hunter light in the world at the moment. Will do both scope mounting or handheld roles, and combines both long distance spot (1200m) with beam spill for paddock scanning. Also has good CRI (colour rendition) whereas many light models still using cool white leds which wash out colour. There are some more powerful lights but they are much bigger and heavier - from 800gms to 1.5gms with batts in. 2X is a lightweight racehorse at 400gms loaded. Brian and I haven't seen any new leds/setups that would cause us to alter the present 2X, or the slightly lighter M24 which is also amazing.
  
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This headtorch might be worth adding to the list in the first post:

Non zooming, but a good, cheap, general purpose head torch with the interesting motion sensing feature where waving your hand in front of the torch turns it on and off. Smiley

No low voltage warnings so beware if you use unprotected cells.

There is some good discussion about it over on Budget Light Forums here.

As with most Chinese headtorches I have tried, the elastic straps could do with being a bit longer.

  

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Good to see - let us know how it tests out in the field. We are fortunate with the smaller headlamps at the moment - some good brands about including zebralight, nitecore, black diamond etc. Add to that the new maxtoch HO1 which should appear any day. Good range of lights so guys can pick one to suit their specific task.
  
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Any idea when the Maxtoch H01 will be available again?
  
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