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Jul 19th, 2013 at 8:15pm
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who normally caries one?
I carry one along with vet wrap some dressing pads and shit I perked from the first aid box from work Roll Eyes some black powder and I have a steady supply of antibiotics.

when ever the dogs get poked I normally just cover if needed and send a pill for a couple of days there right as rain.

im yet to get anything that would require a staple but to be honest what the hell do I do with it? do I have to cut away the hair.
then to staple I maybe pinch the skin together and staple away?
haw far apart do you put them?

thanks in advance Smiley
  
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Reply #1 - Jul 19th, 2013 at 8:28pm
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Ive had one for years luckily only used it a few times was glad I had it though. I check no crap in the wound then pinch so no hair is pointing in {flesh to flesh} and bang a few in. They are emergency only in my eyes so off to vet once off the hill.
Had mates leave in til healed and ended in tears due to crap in the wound so infection  followed. That sticky bandage is good so is a roll of insulation tape.
  

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Reply #2 - Jul 19th, 2013 at 8:38pm
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cheers stoney after caring mine around for a couple of years the packaging is now rooted , does this mean I have to throw it due to it maybe getting dirty, and yes the use would be in the worst case scenario but if your away for a couple of nights would see you right till you get to the vets?


hang on ive just noticed the sticky on first aid above
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Reply #3 - Jul 19th, 2013 at 8:55pm
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what packaging have you got? mine was bought in 04 and has lived in my belt pouch since then, the staples cartridge is inside a plastic sleeve is that what you mean? Ive only used mine for gushing/heavy bleeding rips then wrapped with bandage or tape until it slows or clots, I guess if youre a couple days from the dog doctor and the bleed is controlled should be ok. I wouldn't staple then continue to hunt.
The staples tear the flesh edge of the wound if they get stretched which don't help much.
  

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Reply #4 - Jul 19th, 2013 at 9:02pm
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I have stuck in hundreds of staples. Mostly when I get home because those  staplers  do not travel well. They get bashed around and I remember one time I had to stitch a wound. When I pulled the trigger the whole row of staples came flying out the end. So I don't normally carry one.

If you have dogs that are prone to getting smashed it pays to carry one. Try a plasic box that fits the stapler and a bit of wound powder. Fill the rip up with powder and staple away. Leave a bit of room between the stitches for drainage. I only stitch bleeding wounds or ones that are excessively open. Skin rips I have found heal better when left alone. Anything that is near anything important (ears, jugular, stomach, tendons etc) I get them to the vet.

Trim the fur away if you can and definitely flush with water if its full of mud and sticks and stuff. Most pigdogs are pretty staunch, especially when they know you are trying to help. but be aware that if you hurt them they may bite. Not being naughty, but if it hurts they can't help but have a snap. Get your mate to hold the dog under its jaw with one hand and the other sort of rubbing its cheek ready to catch its mouth when it decides to have a go. Most don't but if you want a real adventure try stapling a mastiff pitty cross that doesn't know you.

My final bit of advice for the novice hunter is, spend the money on your first few rips and see a vet. Pick a good practicle country vet and he will give you tips on what to do and what not to do. Well worth the expense.
  
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Reply #5 - Jul 19th, 2013 at 9:11pm
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its a plastic mold with a paper backing think it was a tyco product anyway it said on the packet not to open unless you use it sort of thing I guess its a issue but does it mean anything?as long as its clean from debries and not rusty fire away?
I have just closed the handle and taped it and caring it like that

I often walk into huts and maybe stay a night or 2  so the vets are a fair distance sometimes and I never hunt an injured dog they let me know when they have had enough too and they wont leave me anyway
  
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Reply #6 - Jul 19th, 2013 at 9:27pm
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I had a dog one day beating up by a boar had to carry him out to the motorbike track, put him down all he did was lay there gums going pale, put a few drops of arnica in his gob, held wounds together stapled and left a little weep hole at the bottom, walked down the track he just lay there gave a whistle up he jumped and walked out with us, got out and to the vet all the vet did was drain a bit of fluid that had built up, kept him over night gave me some pills for him and left staples in and said take them out in 12 days
  
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Reply #7 - Jul 19th, 2013 at 9:33pm
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I have the same stapler as you explained, my wife is a vet nurse she said it will just be to keep staples clean, so your not jamming dirty staples into your dog or it's wound.
After mine has been used if any dirt or crap just clean it off and seal her up in the good old vacume packer Wink Cheesy
  
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Reply #8 - Jul 19th, 2013 at 10:57pm
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good advice from PC. country vets are a hell of a lot cheaper too in my experience. I just wrap the stapler up with heaps of glad wrap. Keeps the water out.
  
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Reply #9 - Jul 21st, 2013 at 8:40am
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I carry a stapler and antibiotic powder and use them reasonably regularly. I open the wound and puff terramicin powder in first then pinch skin to skin so the hair is out of the way and whack them in about a cm apart. If it is a shallow rip I will leave it at that, but if the tusk has gone deeper then I will still staple it to get them off the hill cleanly then take them to the vet for a proper cleanup and full stitch and a course of antibiotics, usually 5-7 days.
If carrying your own antibiotics, use them wisely because you don't want to build up resistance.
  
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Reply #10 - Jul 21st, 2013 at 10:52am
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ask aunty what she uses. she made her very own vagina using one and cowboy rekons it works well Smiley
  
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chris wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 10:52am:
ask aunty what she uses. she made her very own vagina using one and cowboy rekons it works well Smiley


I heard that Cowboy actually fell into that vagina and was lost for 3 days. Without a torch. Smiley
  
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PORKCHOP wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 11:29am:
I heard that Cowboy actually fell into that vagina and was lost for 3 days. Without a torch. Smiley

i still prefer not to be down wind of him after that incident! Shocked
  
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PORKCHOP wrote on Jul 21st, 2013 at 11:29am:
I heard that Cowboy actually fell into that vagina and was lost for 3 days. Without a torch. Smiley



haha tie a plank to his feet so he doesn't fall in,but yep thanks for the advice ive had a couple of trips the the vets and I will continue to do so when I can but as a temporary measurement. if needed I guess its good to know how to use one,one of my dogs is prone to rips on the lips or under the chin so they heal up quite fast I wouldn't staple that,id be of to vet.
  
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Reply #14 - Jul 23rd, 2013 at 9:22pm
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Good advice from PC - Watch a good vet.

I find the staplers a great tool.  It takes me 3 minutes to staple what it used to take me 30 minutes to stitch.  Much easier on man and dog.  One of my dogs doesn't even seem to notice now.

I rinse the wound out with saline and then staple about every 6-7 mm holding the skin flesh to flesh so no hair (dirt) gets in the wound. I leave a small drain at the lowest point of the rip. 

The only really bad rips (vet material) since Ive used a stapler have been on fly in trips and the dogs have recovered well.

I give the dog 3 ml of penicillin on the first, third and fifth day and remove the staples after 10 - 12 days.  I also spray the wound with a topical antibiotic everyday for the first week.

I keep a new stapler in my bum bag and once it is opened I just use it at home.  I get through most of a stapler on 3 or 4 reasonable rips.

I also carry Celox granules for dog (or human) emergencies.  Haven't had cause to use them yet thankfully.

You owe it to your dog to be prepared with the knowledge and equipment to do your best for them.  They got those leaking holes for you.  Wink



  

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Reply #15 - Jul 23rd, 2013 at 10:34pm
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staplers are great... I keep one in my bum bag... the main reason I use it is to close up any wound that dog gets...
weather its a vet Job or a simple tidy up I staple them shut out on the hill to keep the krap out from walking out or further hunting from then on... simply wipe clean as best I can then shut it up,  and my vet loves it... reckons it saves me a heap of coin in time to clean out wounds etc...

if it s a wound I can deal with at home then when I get home the dog gets the full treatment... staples out, full clean and tidy, antibiotics and then staples again if need be... I have all the gear here to stitch(wifey is a midwife so practices on my dogs!!  Grin Grin) but only use that if I need to put more tension on a rip/wound...
  
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Reply #16 - Jul 24th, 2013 at 2:43pm
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Sikebhe wrote on Jul 23rd, 2013 at 9:22pm:
Good advice from PC - Watch a good vet.

I find the staplers a great tool.  It takes me 3 minutes to staple what it used to take me 30 minutes to stitch.  Much easier on man and dog.  One of my dogs doesn't even seem to notice now.

I rinse the wound out with saline and then staple about every 6-7 mm holding the skin flesh to flesh so no hair (dirt) gets in the wound. I leave a small drain at the lowest point of the rip. 

The only really bad rips (vet material) since Ive used a stapler have been on fly in trips and the dogs have recovered well.

I give the dog 3 ml of penicillin on the first, third and fifth day and remove the staples after 10 - 12 days.  I also spray the wound with a topical antibiotic everyday for the first week.

I keep a new stapler in my bum bag and once it is opened I just use it at home.  I get through most of a stapler on 3 or 4 reasonable rips.

I also carry Celox granules for dog (or human) emergencies.  Haven't had cause to use them yet thankfully.

You owe it to your dog to be prepared with the knowledge and equipment to do your best for them.  They got those leaking holes for you.  Wink





Where do you get the penicillin from? Can you get it over the counter at the vets even if they aint seen the dog?
  
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Reply #17 - Jul 24th, 2013 at 11:58pm
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GlenM - I've found most vets will sell it over the counter.  Especially if you've got some connection with a farm or lifestyle block.
  

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Sikebhe wrote on Jul 24th, 2013 at 11:58pm:
GlenM - I've found most vets will sell it over the counter.  Especially if you've got some connection with a farm or lifestyle block.


with the new PAR you will find it near impossible to get your hands on Penicillin of any form without a consultation and prescription from vet...

even as a farmer it was hard enough to get penicillin for my dogs so most of it was what I used for stock...

you must have a very "good" vet Sikebhe

  
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Reply #19 - Aug 17th, 2013 at 8:56pm
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HuhI agree vazza... sounds like a porky to meVazza wrote on Jul 26th, 2013 at 9:59pm:
with the new PAR you will find it near impossible to get your hands on Penicillin of any form without a consultation and prescription from vet...

even as a farmer it was hard enough to get penicillin for my dogs so most of it was what I used for stock...

you must have a very "good" vet Sikebhe


  
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Reply #20 - Aug 17th, 2013 at 9:36pm
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Same vet for 15 years.  He's good.  Wink
  

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Reply #21 - Aug 18th, 2013 at 9:16am
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Sikebhe wrote on Aug 17th, 2013 at 9:36pm:
Same vet for 15 years.  He's good.  Wink


that would explain it! Grin Grin Grin

  
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