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Why are .22 rifles not allowed on DOC land?
Jun 2nd, 2013 at 10:47pm
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Hi guys, as you know I am new to the whole hunting game and while it might seem a stupid question I'm wondering why .22 rifles arent allowed on Doc land while bigger cals are?

I'm sure its a simple answer but I thought I'd get the good oil here instead of making up random answers to my boys  Cool
  
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Re: Why are .22 rifles not allowed on DOC land?
Reply #1 - Jun 2nd, 2013 at 10:50pm
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It is to prevent certain people shooting pigeons. Roll Eyes
  

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Reply #2 - Jun 2nd, 2013 at 10:52pm
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And this regulation has been in place for as long as I can remember.
  
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Reply #3 - Jun 2nd, 2013 at 10:54pm
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.22 and shotguns..to stop f*wits from smacking over the birdlife.
  
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Re: Why are .22 rifles not allowed on DOC land?
Reply #4 - Jun 2nd, 2013 at 11:00pm
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Sikakila wrote on Jun 2nd, 2013 at 10:54pm:
.22 and shotguns..to stop f*wits from smacking over the birdlife.


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Reply #5 - Jun 2nd, 2013 at 11:05pm
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Which leaves them free to concentrate on those pesky road signs.
  
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Re: Why are .22 rifles not allowed on DOC land?
Reply #6 - Jun 2nd, 2013 at 11:08pm
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All rimfires are excluded, minimum centrefire is now .222. So that rules out .22 Hornet as well.

Double rifles (shotgun/rifle) are also excluded as far as I recall too.

Only centre fire rifles of calibre .222 Remington or larger may be used for hunting, or crossbows and bows that meet the minimum standard specified by DOC (available at www.doc.govt.nz/hunting). Shotguns, rimfire rifles, and .22 hornet are excluded.
  

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Re: Why are .22 rifles not allowed on DOC land?
Reply #7 - Jun 3rd, 2013 at 12:49am
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Dunno why you would knock over any birdlife in any case.  I mean Pigeons taste like old socks soaked in stale red wine, Kiwis taste like mud and kakapo have a taste similar to chewing an iceblock stick!
And don't even start me on how horrible Yellow Eyed penguin is!!!
  

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Re: Why are .22 rifles not allowed on DOC land?
Reply #8 - Jun 3rd, 2013 at 12:54am
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The 300 win mag turns a wild moggy inside out nicely so why would ya want a 22 anyways? Smiley
  
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Re: Why are .22 rifles not allowed on DOC land?
Reply #9 - Jun 3rd, 2013 at 1:14am
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In certain areas you can now take a .22 with a special permit for shooting bunnies. I have one for taking my 3 1/2 year old out shooting in marlborough. Check out DoC web site
  
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Reply #10 - Jun 3rd, 2013 at 1:43am
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So if you can't shoot the bird life with a a rim fire whot stops anyone from wacking them with a high power air rifle.  Cheesy
  
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Re: Why are .22 rifles not allowed on DOC land?
Reply #11 - Jun 3rd, 2013 at 2:01am
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It might be to also prevent idiots from trying to shoot larger game with inadequate calibres although it doesn't stop them that's for sure.

I recently thawed out a back fillet from a stag I shot late last year and when slicing it up the knife hit something solid. Turns out it was a .22 rimfire lead projectile. A very good reason to stop people taking .22 rimfires onto DOC land..

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Re: Why are .22 rifles not allowed on DOC land?
Reply #12 - Jun 3rd, 2013 at 2:10am
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bushrat wrote on Jun 3rd, 2013 at 1:43am:
So if you can't shoot the bird life with a a rim fire whot stops anyone from wacking them with a high power air rifle.  Cheesy


Because the high powered air rifle is smaller than a .222 and anyone over 18 who owns one is a homo

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Re: Why are .22 rifles not allowed on DOC land?
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Steevo wrote on Jun 3rd, 2013 at 2:01am:
It might be to also prevent idiots from trying to shoot larger game with inadequate calibres ...


That's always been my understanding too.

I stayed at Totara Flats hut in the Tararua's recently.  I wandered around the hut, after dark, with my torch and must have spotted at least a dozen possums on the ground and in the treas.

I'm not going to waste my .243 ammo on them, but if I'd had a .22 they would have been history.  Raises the question of whether .22's should be allowed under certain circumstances.  Maybe a special permit?  But then they would be shot under torch/spotlights and that's another curly one.  But again, special permit??

I'd be happy to wander in with a .22 and do some possum eradication on some of my many trips into the bush.

Probably all too difficult...
  
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Re: Why are .22 rifles not allowed on DOC land?
Reply #14 - Jun 3rd, 2013 at 2:22am
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Very curly, kaweka neill Smiley
T/Flats is dangerous enough. It is, without spot lighters shooting off 22s
  
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Re: Why are .22 rifles not allowed on DOC land?
Reply #15 - Jun 3rd, 2013 at 2:24am
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I stayed at Totara Flats hut in the Tararua's recently.  I wandered around the hut, after dark, with my torch and must have spotted at least a dozen possums on the ground and in the treas.

I'm not going to waste my .243 ammo on them, but if I'd had a .22 they would have been history.  Raises the question of whether .22's should be allowed under certain circumstances.  Maybe a special permit?  But then they would be shot under torch/spotlights and that's another curly one.  But again, special permit??

I'd be happy to wander in with a .22 and do some possum eradication on some of my many trips into the bush.


There lays part of the problem - shooting around huts whether it's for possum or not. It would involve using a spot light for starters and you will open up a can of worms. Stick to using traps around public huts.
  
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Re: Why are .22 rifles not allowed on DOC land?
Reply #16 - Jun 3rd, 2013 at 2:32am
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That's true, very curly, if it's open to all and sundry.

However, a special permit issued to those meeting a higher level of experience, trustworthyness, and subject to certain circumstances (for example empty hut and surrounds) and rules etc etc, it could be doable.

I'm not really advocating they do this, it was just an idle comment speculating on whether it was feasible.  I'm just saying that I was in there and willing to do it if I was allowed to.
  
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Re: Why are .22 rifles not allowed on DOC land?
Reply #17 - Jun 3rd, 2013 at 2:34am
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Of course everyone will think "I am ok doing this", but as soon as someone else can do it, the risk is too great.
  
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