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Reply #80 - Jun 17th, 2013 at 9:27pm
 
while your opinions on hunters not that tolerant of other users or positives about trampers maybe true to a point but its no different to drivers whinging about cyclists/horses on the road etc

I couldn't give a rip about what drivers whinging, I care about hunters and hunting as a way of life in this country.
I want to see hunting being held in high regard for my children and my children's children and beyond.
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Reply #81 - Jun 18th, 2013 at 8:35am
 
whereami wrote on Jun 17th, 2013 at 9:27pm:
I couldn't give a rip about what drivers whinging, I care about hunters and hunting as a way of life in this country.
I want to see hunting being held in high regard for my children and my children's children and beyond.


I think informed and aware people do hold hunting in high regard.  Problem is "incidents" are highlighted by media and positives not presented.  How many negative stories of tramping and bird watching have you seen on the national media?? 
We have a rich and proud history of hunting that builds with each generation.  However, we are a small group, same as trampers, and must hold each other to a high standard.  I don't see that happening in some cases and that is a larger societal problem that we are not responsible for.  Having said that we also cannot give up either.  Every time a hut is saved, tracks cleared, pests removed or kids informed we pave the way for a new generation, yet little credit is given.  While that is not what we do it for a bit of acknowledgement would be nice.

Give it a gun, rotor or propellor and they are all over it like blowwy's to a carcass
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Reply #82 - Jun 18th, 2013 at 9:10am
 
HiTop wrote on Jun 18th, 2013 at 8:35am:
I think informed and aware people do hold hunting in high regard. Problem is "incidents" are highlighted by media and positives not presented. How many negative stories of tramping and bird watching have you seen on the national media??
We have a rich and proud history of hunting that builds with each generation. However, we are a small group, same as trampers, and must hold each other to a high standard. I don't see that happening in some cases and that is a larger societal problem that we are not responsible for. Having said that we also cannot give up either. Every time a hut is saved, tracks cleared, pests removed or kids informed we pave the way for a new generation, yet little credit is given. While that is not what we do it for a bit of acknowledgement would be nice.

Give it a gun, rotor or propellor and they are all over it like blowwy's to a carcass



that I feel is the key.
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Reply #83 - Jun 18th, 2013 at 5:13pm
 
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How many negative stories of tramping and bird watching have you seen on the national media??

Trampers dont carry firearms Smiley

trampers are probably more worried about DOCs commercialization than hunters.
They rely on tracks and huts more, and are probably more reason to be anti mountain biking encroaching into more tracks

i personally dont have much problem with it, the back country has changed since I began using it, and it will change more.

The biggest uissue for me, is DOC diverting funding away from the back country to do more and more fringe development, some of which is debatabe

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Reply #84 - Jun 18th, 2013 at 6:23pm
 
Tararua Hunter wrote on Jun 18th, 2013 at 5:13pm:
Trampers dont carry firearms Smiley

trampers are probably more worried about DOCs commercialization than hunters.
They rely on tracks and huts more, and are probably more reason to be anti mountain biking encroaching into more tracks

i personally dont have much problem with it, the back country has changed since I began using it, and it will change more.

The biggest uissue for me, is DOC diverting funding away from the back country to do more and more fringe  development, some of which is debatabe



is that to do with the amount of users or is it just an image thing?  so the public thinks that's where there money goes?
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Reply #85 - Jun 18th, 2013 at 9:07pm
 
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is that to do with the amount of users or is it just an image thing? so the public thinks that's where there money goes?

I think its a bit of better image, support from the public, and also encouraging new users, again to get them supporting conservation, but also because its good for people to become active.

Alongg the way, theres the idea that businesses will benifit, either directly, (guiding, etc) or indirectly (retailers, accomodation etc)

I dont have a problem with all that, except that theres a shift from what I think is an important heritage of new Zealanders. So while DOC is encouraging a lot more users, or different type, its impacting on the traditional back country - either though development of tracks etc, or reduced funding for those traditional places.

The result is a generation that will have no understanding ofr the "real" back country, or how to survive in it.

The book "Shelter from the Storm" by Rob brown, Shaun barnett etc, does a very good job of describing the different types of back country huts and their heritage value. One well known example is the good old forestry 6 bunk (S70) huts. Theres very few left in original condition, and now DOC is threatening to remove those that have "low use", unless the public take over.

If you want to enjoy a basic hut in the mountains, uncrowded (by trampers or flying hunters)i have to go further and be selective in where I stay. usually its in a tent.

relying on huts for hunting isnt good, but they are enjoyable just because of their historic value, and are a dissapearing way of life that used to exist.

To some extent, hunters that fly to these places, often dont may not "really" experience these places IMO - the effort and difficulties in getting there, and therefore the real value of those huts, bridges and tracks.
trampers because they only walk, usually, probably have a better appreciation of those places, than those that fly.
may be a bit of a generalization, but its how i see it

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Reply #86 - Jun 18th, 2013 at 11:04pm
 
huts are better in the rain.
and tramper can sleep out on the porch when he snores too loud.
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Reply #87 - Jun 19th, 2013 at 8:47am
 
whereami wrote on Jun 18th, 2013 at 11:04pm:
huts are better in the rain.
and tramper can sleep out on the porch when he snores too loud.

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Add to that if your fellow hunter shakes the iron on the walls with his snoring then he should be relocated carefully in the night, tip toeing over the noisy tramper, to a suitable location under a Beech tree till morning Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink Wink
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Reply #88 - Jun 19th, 2013 at 12:35pm
 
I doubt there would be any cycling on the tracks I frequent in the Tararua's.  With the exception of the overdone tracks around Holdsworth, most are unsuitable.  They would be carrying the bikes more than riding them.

I've never encountered a cyclist on a track yet...

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Reply #89 - Jun 19th, 2013 at 3:41pm
 
Apparently a mountain biker tried to ride the southern crossing - Shocked

Ive only seen bikes up the tracks around holdsworth.

wont surprize me if a track is redeveloped for bikes, somewhere in the tararuas
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Reply #90 - Jun 19th, 2013 at 3:51pm
 
Tararua Hunter wrote on Jun 19th, 2013 at 3:41pm:
Apparently a mountain biker tried to ride the southern crossing - Shocked

Ive only seen bikes up the tracks around holdsworth.

wont surprize me if a track is redeveloped for bikes, somewhere in the tararuas


Ride the Southern crossing - the mind boggles! Shocked Shocked

As for developing a track for mountain bikers, I wouldn't have a problem with it. They are just as entitled to use the bush for their enjoyment as I am when I go hunting. I would probably avoid the area though, as I would find cyclists whizzing past me bloody annoying. And as for someone tooting a little horn behind me as he approaches, wanting me to move aside - grrrr!!!! Angry

The national parks are large and there is room for all.
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Reply #91 - Jul 5th, 2013 at 6:26pm
 
anyone noitced the new tag on docs web pages ? Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register; .
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Reply #92 - Jul 7th, 2013 at 8:24pm
 
Hackmeat wrote on Jul 5th, 2013 at 6:26pm:
anyone noitced the new tag on docs web pages ? Multimedia File Viewing and Clickable Links are available for Registered Members only!!  You need to Login or Register .



Link don't work? Page been taken down? That suggests it was interesting........
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Reply #93 - Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:29pm
 
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Reply #94 - Jul 8th, 2013 at 1:25am
 
A true third world environmental primer, something to be rightly ashamed of.
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Reply #95 - Jul 8th, 2013 at 7:28pm
 
Yes it appears somewhat lacking, that's for sure......
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Reply #96 - Sep 17th, 2013 at 6:39pm
 
Tararua Hunter wrote on Jun 19th, 2013 at 3:41pm:
Apparently a mountain biker tried to ride the southern crossing - Shocked


It's true. I did some of the intel gathering before the search kicked off. The rooster was overdue.

JD's response when I asked him if he'd seen a mountain bike isn't fit to print Tongue I think he thought I was joking....
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