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Reply #15 - Apr 24th, 2013 at 1:04am
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my firm line is drawn at commercial use - that changes it entirely no matter the activity. our parks for our recreation and use; bussinesses is largly un-compatiable.

whats the DoC mandate? 'foster recreation' but only 'accomodate tourism' or something like that

obviously conservation for prosperity is a line of nonense 'bulls wool' of the highest order, and you'll get no arguement from me about that.

  

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Reply #16 - Apr 24th, 2013 at 1:36am
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And yet that is what is being suggested in the article, commercial use
  
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Reply #17 - Apr 24th, 2013 at 1:45am
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my bad then; I should read as well as type; thought is was about average Joe going for a ride.
  

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Reply #18 - Apr 24th, 2013 at 6:06am
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Im more worried about where it will end, Al Morrison and this government are not drawing any sort of clear line on actually conserving the natural values of DoC administered land.



Exactly my concerns. And there is certainly no disputing the fact that DOC are 'selling' our country down the road. They, Dept of Cons, ( and the National Govt) are whoring themselves at any opportunity with little to no regard for the intrinsic, cultural or natural values these things have.
This is just another of the slippery progression down that slope.

I reckon DOC would sell the Kakapo to KFC if they could show there was commercial value in it.
  

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Re: DOC as a prostitute
Reply #19 - Apr 24th, 2013 at 8:27pm
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Cycles in the bush. It's an interesting delima. Why shouldn't cyclists have tracks provided that they can use, trampers and hunters have 100's of huts and heaps Kms of tracks.
Cyclists a relatively news to the backcountry, but why not cater to them?

Head case is correct, cyclists can/do impact on walkers experience. I'd be pissed off a bit to.
But, I know plenty of hard core trampers that hate helicopters intruding on their experience, after slogging into the mountains on foot.
I can sympathise with that, I feel the same, a bit.
Hunters turning up in choppers, booze, deck chairs.. That's when I depart for somewhere quieter.

So where do cyclistsget catered for? New tracks? Existing tracks upgraded?
Who is to blame for 4wheelers using cycle tracks ( for hunting)?
Hunters often use 4x4s, quads etc, whenever they can. Perhaps  Sometimes pissing off others that are going by foot only.

Doc is upgrading handy tracks and huts for family type groups, spending $millions on it. And neglecting the back country huts used by trampers and hunters.

50 or more years ago, some tracks and huts didn't exist, but hunters happily enjoy them now.

$$has lots to do with it. With the full backing (and direction?) of our government.

But it's also part of a bigger picture, to get more kiwis into the back country.(and tourists) What's wrong with that? It WILL impact on us, but then again, hunters are much in the minority in most of those places.

Makes it more difficult to get away from it all, certainly does for me, but then again so do helicopters in places I have slogged into on foot.
Quit moaning Smiley

  
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Reply #20 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 2:03am
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Tararua Hunter wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 8:27pm:
Quit moaning Smiley


I'll moan till my rectum prolapses if I think our backcountry or our hunting/fishing is being eroded or encroached upon.
  

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Reply #21 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 2:21am
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I have no doubt you will, Stagsroar. Smiley I liked the backcountry the way it was 50 years ago, but unfortunately, others entitled to a share of it to. 50 years time, it going to be a lot different to what it is now, to, not that I'll be worried about it then Roll Eyes
  
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Reply #22 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 5:31am
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Tararua Hunter wrote on Apr 25th, 2013 at 2:21am:
I have no doubt you will, Stagsroar. Smiley I liked the backcountry the way it was 50 years ago,  50 years time, it going to be a lot different to what it is now, to, not that I'll be worried about it then Roll Eyes


Mmmm,will there be such a thing as being allowed to own a firearm in 50 yrs time Undecided ,,,
like yi say it aint gonna worry a few of us on here Roll Eyes
We have had OUR share,long ago Smiley

  

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Reply #23 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 5:44am
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A while ago, a member of this forum introduced me to the writing of one Edward Abbey.

Heres a link to a few quotes of his and I think many are very applicable to this topic.

http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/37218.Edward_Abbey


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Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell.


Every manager in DOC should be made to read  A desert Solitaire with a mind capable of self appraisal, because they are taking our wild places down a path of destruction....... of that I'm positive.
  
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Reply #24 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 5:54am
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Dont normally go around quoting poety but I did see this from Edward Abbey.......
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There are some good things to be said about walking. Not many, but some. Walking takes longer, for example, than any other known form of locomotion except crawling. Thus it stretches time and prolongs life. Life is already too short to waste on speed. I have a friend who's always in a hurry; he never gets anywhere. Walking makes the world much bigger and thus more interesting. You have time to observe the details. The utopian technologists foresee a future for us in which distance is annihilated. … To be everywhere at once is to be nowhere forever, if you ask me.”

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Reply #25 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 5:57am
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Has a nice ring to it.  Smiley
  

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Reply #26 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 6:58am
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Re: DOC as a prostitute
Reply #27 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 8:16pm
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No because it is the same brain dead stuff they have done during their corporate existence. They bleat about job losses but never understand most of them should not have been employed in the first place. The height of stupidity is the sika tracking campaign they have in the Kawekas. Then each October/November they put in the 500 to blitz every animal especially in the front country of the Park which is the most accessible to kiwi hunters.What about the drongo job position of Maori Liason officer they used to or still, have in most of their Conservancies. Why do they have seperate conservancies? Hell NZ is never more than 80 miles wide at its widest part and hello we have computers.
  
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Re: DOC as a prostitute
Reply #28 - Apr 26th, 2013 at 2:52am
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anyway....if anythings DoC's the pimp; we're the ones getting fcuked.
  

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Reply #29 - Apr 26th, 2013 at 6:31am
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StagsRoar wrote on Apr 24th, 2013 at 6:06am:
They, Dept of Cons, ( and the National Govt) are whoring themselves at any opportunity with little to no regard for the intrinsic, cultural or natural values these things have.
This is just another of the slippery progression down that slope.

I reckon DOC would sell the Kakapo to KFC if they could show there was commercial value in it.


Cant blame National, I'm sure Labour, Greens, Winston (whats his party again) would end up selling our Conservation estate to the highest bidder to.

They say they wont, but in times of need Labour/Greens will!
  

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