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Reply #15 - May 15th, 2012 at 8:33am
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I heard that apparently only the manuka honey from reputable health organisations works, that from the farm doesn't, haha wonkers

Ethos, as mentioned with the wound powder, can one use dry cow, i have had it from one vet yet other vet says no don't use it,wrong type of peni

Also is there any sort of antibiotic that will stay in suspension in a syringe so you could carry that in a kit for when your 24hrs or so from the vet

And lastly... guys do your mutts chew out the staples you put in them, mine do with stitches and make a far worse mess,apart from a bucket on the head i ask the vet not to stitch them if possible and 9 times outa 10 he wont
  
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Reply #16 - May 15th, 2012 at 9:04am
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optio wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 8:28am:
An alternative to manuka honey is a good high concentrate tea tree oil, the active properties in the oil are far more concentrated than the honey. However not all manuka honeys or tea tree oil are created equal - some have a higher medicinal rate than others.

Also true although Ive seen one dog develop a nasty skin reaction to tea tree oil so Id suggest only trying it fairly well diluted.
  
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Reply #17 - May 15th, 2012 at 9:09am
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moonhunt wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 8:33am:
I heard that apparently only the manuka honey from reputable health organisations works, that from the farm doesn't, haha wonkers

Ethos, as mentioned with the wound powder, can one use dry cow, i have had it from one vet yet other vet says no don't use it,wrong type of peni

Also is there any sort of antibiotic that will stay in suspension in a syringe so you could carry that in a kit for when your 24hrs or so from the vet

And lastly... guys do your mutts chew out the staples you put in them, mine do with stitches and make a far worse mess,apart from a bucket on the head i ask the vet not to stitch them if possible and 9 times outa 10 he wont


If your mate works on a dairy farm then teat spray disinfectants are also very handy. Both the iodine spray and the chlorhexidine used for teat washes are very good topical disinfectants to carry in a kit- dilute it down to use 1/10 or even more. Dont get chlorhexidine in eyes. Less messy than wound powder and better for killing bugs.

Most penicillins and derivatives will settle out in syringe so bottles are better to take (after appropriate presciption ). Penicillin doesnt like too much heat so its not ideal to be bouncing around in the car.
  
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Reply #18 - May 15th, 2012 at 9:12am
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Keep chlorhexidine out of light it will break it down.
  
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Reply #19 - May 15th, 2012 at 9:15am
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stevebro wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 7:18am:


...haha he looks smaller than he is, 128lb. I stuck myself in the leg wrestling with him....lesson learnt!! but still carried him out by myself.
Now i have one of these in the truck and just carry bare essentials on me.
Follow link thru to 1st aid kits and i got the  premium vehicle kit for $54.   
http://www.nzsafety.co.nz/servlet/Srv.Ecos_Signon?CN=15366&AC=185E7D4D361E7D4D&U...
I added stapler and remover, electrical tape, superglue (for those hard to staple areas), antibiotics and a small bottle of iodine.....i think i got a tube of drycow antibiotic cream or simalar. I will add some internal stitching gear on fly in trips.

Thats a decent set up. Brownie points for the iodine.
  
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Reply #20 - May 15th, 2012 at 10:29am
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Check out this product guys. Im sure you can think of its applications for pig hunters, not just for your hounds but you or your mates in the event of any life threatening injuries.

They just released another version of the same product in a syringe, which is perfect if you've got any deep gushing pokes. You simply jab it i and squeeze away, once the contents of the syringe is out apply pressure the same as in the video.

Check out the vid in the link below when it loads.

http://www.celox.co.nz/page688166.html

Edit: and the syringe in action...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM_S6o9mUBc
  
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Reply #21 - May 15th, 2012 at 11:33pm
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Looks and sounds like a great product Dublin! I would still however be a little cautious when using on someone who is on anticoagulants - although it claims to be entirely safe. Is it a brand new product - I have never seen or heard of it before?
  
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Reply #22 - May 16th, 2012 at 3:38am
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Shouldnt need to use chlorhex in the field. If well irrigated you should be able to close the wound without creating an abcess. The wound is already dirty and you wont get it clean..
Dont close puncture wounds as you will create an abcess..
I work in emergency and study wilderness medicine..
  
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Reply #23 - May 16th, 2012 at 8:01am
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Youve got some good points there:

Leaving simple poke holes open is usually a good idea to allow drainage -  obvious exceptions are if the hole communicates with the chest or abdomen.

If its truly dirty you will struggle to get it clean and it is not advised to close a dirty wound.

I differ on the using chlorhex or other antispetics in the field. Most pig dog wounds are not brought in to the vet clinic within the golden hour.
The wounds are made by the mouthparts of an animal that eats carrion - they have a high bacterial load.
Saline irrigation is always good but with materials available not always enough to reduce contamination in extensive wounds. Antiseptics have their place for wounds that must wait some hours to close.

Most pig dog wounds closed in clinic will be surgically debrided, drains are often placed as well.
  
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Reply #24 - May 17th, 2012 at 1:50am
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Id just add that antiseptics are also good for small wounds that arent stitched.
  
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Re: First Aid Kit
Reply #25 - May 17th, 2012 at 5:36am
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question for you Ethos... you commented that pig dog wounds gernally get to the clinic inn the "golden Hr" can you explain this a bit more please... I have had pigdogs ripped while away in the bush for several days and when back, go straight to the vets only for them to say I was too late for them to stitch it up... yet when I needed to get my working dog stitched up on a saturday morning (cow stood on her foot exposing bone on one of the digits from knuckle to knuckle) I was told to dress it and come in on the monday... Shocked

I am not asking this as a grumble about Vets rather so I know what time frame I should be working within or is acceptable to stitch up wounds.

PS... dont laugh but 1 item I put into my first aid kit is Tampons... great for bad bleeders and punture wounds...
  
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Reply #26 - May 17th, 2012 at 6:45am
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"The golden hour" is a medical term used to describe the timeframe which gives best results when dealing with a trauma.
The take home message is the chances of good wound closure are best early on.
Over time there is tissue die back on the wound edges from being exposed to air, and also multiplication of bacteria. The cleanest, freshest wound edges will heal the best.

In fact how quickly a wound deteriorates depends not just on time but on a number of other factors including- temperature, damage to blood vessels, amount of contamination and so on.
A fair number of pig dogs are brought in the following day and normally they heal well after surgical debriding (trimming the edges).
As you have observed, a less contaminated wound may wait 24 hrs plus in the right conditions, if in doubt ring the vet let them make the call- its their head on the block!
Its no cause to panic about instant stitching (unless the dog is losing blood, very extensive injuries, has difficulty breathing or an opened abdomen) but its good to get done as soon as practically possible.

Yes tampons or sanitary pads are a good addition to the first aid kit just as you say.
  
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Re: First Aid Kit
Reply #27 - May 17th, 2012 at 8:18am
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cheers for that Ethos... 12 yrs of dairy farming and pighunting provide plenty of opportunity to learn if your keen... I am always quick to the vets with injured dogs if required but very good to hear a "unit standard." makes it much easier to make decisions at the right time... end of it... my mutts do their jobs so I am happy to do mine... and always keen to learn more
  
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Reply #28 - Sep 9th, 2014 at 9:02am
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Great info, thanks so much
  
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Reply #29 - Nov 14th, 2014 at 8:00am
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If you can bull shit a vet i get a blue spray on topical antibiotic just for basic slice's pads, legs and stuff never had a major gusher to repair on the hill. But i carry pritty much the same kit including a tampon for that one time you might get a nasty poke.
  
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