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Jul 9th, 2011 at 9:47pm
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I have owned Meindl boots for over 20years and until now have been very happy with their performance. However after a recent trip to Queenstown I found that the foam between the vibram and the upper at the heal has broken down and disappeared. On contacting Stager sports the NZ agent I was told this was normal and can be expected after 6-7 years. Yes we can resole them for $160 and you will have a new pair of boots. Well with only about 50 days hunting on them I had a virtually new pair of boots anyway. What do you guys think?
  
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Re: Meindl boots
Reply #1 - Jul 9th, 2011 at 10:09pm
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Same thing happened to mine, I have found the lowas to be a better boot.
  
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Reply #2 - Jul 10th, 2011 at 1:08am
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I had the same problem with Stager Sports, with some Island Pros, their attitude to repairs and service is to push back and not help customers, etc.

I use Lowa and they are better.
  

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Re: Meindl boots
Reply #3 - Jul 10th, 2011 at 2:08am
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talking about boots,i'd like to hear from hunters about their experiences of their boots,in particular boots that spend a lot of time wet and being hunted in wet.i have a pair of boots which are starting to delaminate and i suspect that it is the amount of time they are spending wet and being hunted in,ie; the glues aren't up to kiwi hunting conditions.so i'd like to hear of other hunters experiences.my current boots probably haven't a lot of hunting trips in them and i will have to replace them at some stage.mangoinorange.
  
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Reply #4 - Jul 10th, 2011 at 2:50am
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In a past Life I was trained to make surgical footwear, Let me tell you, its all about what you do to the boots "BEFORE " you wear them.
There are dozens of magical waxs and oils out there, some costing huge $.
The truth is our ancestors , who had to work with horses and leather gear, new a thing or two. that is why some of the old saddles etc have lasted over 100yrs.
"NEATSFOOT OIL " warmed along with the unworn boot in a hot water cupboard, then applied with a brush to the outside, worked into all the seams. Let it dry, wipe off excess and repeat, several times. If the boots have leather linings, pour a dose of neatsfoot inside the boot as well. move it about to coat all surfaces and pour out excess.
put boots back in HW cupboard between each application.
When this is finishes apply several heavy coats of nugget, dont polish off, I use an old toothbrush to get into the seems , let it dry naturally. then buff up.
After each use wash boots and brush out sand etc from all seams, dry well in HW cupboard and then apply more  nugget. at least once a year apply more neatsfoot.
I have a pair of ex nz army boots that had this treatment 30yrs ago and they are still going strong after yrs of heavy use. My current boots are lowe and they are now 6yrs old , been wet for days on end and apart from usual scratches are like new. Like life, you only get out, what you put in !!!
  
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Re: Meindl boots
Reply #5 - Jul 10th, 2011 at 5:58am
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Wax, conditioners and leather preservative.
It needs all three.
Don't over undercondition.
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Neatsfoot oil's smell will last for a week after application, thus, if you want to take your bag without the oil fragrance following you, one needs to keep that one week gap. Moreover, while applying neatsfoot oil onto the saddle be careful not to use too much of the oil, as excess can over-soften the saddle, thereby making it sag and stretch. Also, never use neatsfoot oil on suede goods, as it causes staining. But where to buy neatsfoot oil? Neatsfoot oil can be found at any hardware store or a pet supply store.

Also if you saturate the leather boots with waterproof membrane liners then that finds it way onto those reducing their effectiveness.
Good quality leather doesn't need too much care. Mainly target and recondition the flex points. Saves time and costs.We produce some oil with sweat. Good advice to wear socks a day before going out. Your oil acts as a lubricant between skin and socks reducing rubbing friction.
There are a few processes invloved in glueing stuff with the boots. If someone doesn't do their part along the way then disaster will strike. Smiley
But if all done well it works fine.
Its good to have a tracking system to go back help impove on performance:)
  
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Re: Meindl boots
Reply #6 - Jul 10th, 2011 at 7:01am
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I have had a pair of Miendel Torup's for 3 years now I think, can't remember when I bought them. Even with the thin insoles they are a very comfortable boot, never had a blister while wearing them. From my own personal observations, I would rate them better then the comparative Lowa boot. I knew 3 people who had the same Lowa boot and they all had issues with the stitching coming apart in the same location within 6 months of purchase. I don't know - maybe it was a bad batch as all 3 pairs were bought from the same shop roundabout the same time. Last year one of my boots started letting water in when standing in a small creek, now both of them do. I think they are slowly coming apart at the soul. All other stitching appears fine, but to be honest I would expect the souls to stay intact a little longer on a $600 boot. In saying that one of my mates absolutely tortured his pair of Torup's (we bought ours about the same time). They are f*cked after a few years of abuse and lack of care, but if duck taped up are still wearable. I don't baby mine, just wash most of the crap off after a hunt and put some sports wax on when they visibly begin to dry out
  
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Re: Meindl boots
Reply #7 - Jul 10th, 2011 at 7:34am
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thanks for the advice so far.i'd still like to hear others boot stories.i know about neatsfoot and i do look after my boots(i started skiing back in the days of lace-up leather ski boots so have had some experience)but i like to hear of others,hopefully qualified/quantified experiences with their boots,particularly wet boots and boots subjected to frequent wading and being hunted in all day while still wet.keep it coming.mangoinorange.
  
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Re: Meindl boots
Reply #8 - Jul 10th, 2011 at 9:17am
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It amazes me how so many people just MUST HAVE expensive imported boots to spend a few days in the bush each year hunting or tramping.
We have a local manufacturer of boots who gives a 30 day comfort guarantee along with a 2 year manufacturer's guarantee and I never see anyone on this forum ever mention the brand. Do these expensive imported boots offer a 30 day comfort guarantee ?
I do more miles in the NZ bush than most folks and use John Bull boots. I do have other brands that I wear for specialist applications such as Red Setter boots made in the US from Gore-tex that I use when in long wet grass but by and large I live in my John Bull boots.
To treat my boots, every couple of weeks  or when they get really wet from repeted river crossings or days of rain I apply Dubbin ($5.50 at pack-n-save) directly to the damp boot and warm them (do not dry your boots in front of the fire), as the boots dry they suck the dubbin into the leather.
Repeated wet / dry / wet /dry without any form of treatment and you end up with cracked boots.
I found your post quite interesting Werewolf, I have always used neatsfoot oil as a first aid on my saddles, boots and belts  when they got too dry but have never treated a new unworn item like you suggest.
  
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Reply #9 - Jul 10th, 2011 at 10:52am
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No need to be surprised Eccles. I think everyone buys JB's and or something similar along the way.
We get very few first time buyers. Kiwis are unsurprisingly thrifty.
That is a good idea as in excellent to condition before storing but allow some of the leather surface to dry first. Its just better to apply that way and actually works faster for the conditioner to absorb. Its to late after the fibres have shortened and hardened. Like try to put them on and without conditioning they feel kinda tight? To damn late. Damage is done.
Always apply conditioner before storage.
Don't use Dubbin though on expensive boots. Use whatever you like on the JB's I just don't care. Smiley
Its pretty much pure oil.
But you won't find any reputable manufacturer selling dubbin or neatsfoot with the boots. They specifically advise not to. Don't use greases or oily products.
The conundrum is that their own stuff will have that also in it but in limited amounts.
Personally in NZ we need a little higher in conditoners than Europe says. Due to the climate and the fact not everyone has the time to reconditon as required with a low fat leather diet. But how hard is it just to hit the flex points. And also the softer leathers. They aren't as robust as the main leather also dry faster.
Thats experience from literal millions of boots on how to get a better result with your boots form various manufacturers.
Solvents are another thing they try and avoid. That whiff you get off the Dubbin or Sno seal when applying it. Thats solvent in abundance evaporating. So you really want to apply that to your boots huh? Smiley




  
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Reply #10 - Jul 10th, 2011 at 10:40pm
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I like Meindls as they fit my feet best, but avoid getting them through Stager as have come across similar customer support scenarios.

I could never get my Lowas right, there was always a sore point. They're a great boot wear wise though.

Have tried heaps of boot brands in between. Will be buying a pair of Bestards off Ezidirect soon, and will give them a work out. Would've sooner, but got a pair of Miendls 2nd hand near new for 60% less than RRP  Smiley
  
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Re: Meindl boots
Reply #11 - Jul 10th, 2011 at 10:46pm
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Dunno if it's that surprising Locknut.  Lots of materials have a shelf life regardless if they've been used or not.  I sell wetsuits and after 5-6 years, even if they've never been in the water or in the sun the neoprene foam will be pretty much rooted.
I've recently had my Meindls resoled because of the same thing (about that many years old but done a hell of a lot more than 50 days - more like 50 days a year for the first two or three).
The boots are now practically just as good as they day I bought them.  I reckon it's pretty awesome to be able to have them resoled like that. 
Found Judy from Stager to be very helpful.  I would add that my boots are having to go back to get the rand reglued.  It's started coming away after first use.  I had just waxed them up before being sent away which apparently makes it hard for the glue to stick.  May have been good to be told that before sending down in the first place...
  
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Reply #12 - Jul 11th, 2011 at 4:47am
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Locknut wrote on Jul 9th, 2011 at 9:47pm:
I have owned Meindl boots for over 20years and until now have been very happy with their performance. However after a recent trip to Queenstown I found that the foam between the vibram and the upper at the heal has broken down and disappeared. On contacting Stager sports the NZ agent I was told this was normal and can be expected after 6-7 years. Yes we can resole them for $160 and you will have a new pair of boots. Well with only about 50 days hunting on them I had a virtually new pair of boots anyway. What do you guys think?


I found the same issue with the Lowa Distributer for new zealand had a pair fall apart after wearing them about 6 times , sent back twice for repairs. in the end  All they needed was the souls repairing , they said there was no point and i could buy a new pair off them at there cost price. Still inside warranty ,Havent had any problems with the new ones , looks they had changed the design since my first pair.
  
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Re: Meindl boots
Reply #13 - Jul 11th, 2011 at 10:34am
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I too have had the same issue with my Meindl boots although I bought mine as new off trade me. The fella had only walked the milford track in them ( be it a year or two ago) so basically they look like new. I wore them around for a day and the soles started to peel off them. So a total of 7 days use . Beat that someone !! Amusing thing was the original letter in the box saying ' congratulations on buying the worlds best boot'. These do not look like the worlds best boot.
Yes I can resole them but if the sole deteriorates with age rather than use I d rather not.
  
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Reply #14 - Jul 11th, 2011 at 8:24pm
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HHills wrote on Jul 11th, 2011 at 10:34am:
I too have had the same issue with my Meindl boots although I bought mine as new off trade me. The fella had only walked the milford track in them ( be it a year or two ago) so basically they look like new. I wore them around for a day and the soles started to peel off them. So a total of 7 days use . Beat that someone !! Amusing thing was the original letter in the box saying ' congratulations on buying the worlds best boot'. These do not look like the worlds best boot.
Yes I can resole them but if the sole deteriorates with age rather than use I d rather not.


Sometimes they ask if you have used them farming , coz they can blame the nitrate in the soil on soul deterioration
  
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