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Sighting in your .22lr
Apr 1st, 2010 at 12:56pm
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I thought it was worth pulling this together into one post, maybe even making it a sticky.

This has been unashamedly pinched from the Gunsmoke website (link further down).


One of the better methods for sighting in a .22lr is the point blank method.

I'll give a summary if you just want to get out and shoot, and a link to the web page with all the details if you are stuck at a desk at work, or want to do some tricky stuff.

Point blank range is the distances between which a bullet will hit inside a defined vital zone when aimed smack in the middle of that zone. This method of sighting in aims to maximise that range.

For small game, a 25mm (1 inch) radius zone (that's a circle 50mm or 2 inches across) makes most sense as it caters for head and chest shots on most common small beasties we shoot her in NZ.

So, for subsonic .22lr ammo (40 gr), if you sight in at 47.5m (52 yards) you will hit inside the vital zone between ranges of 16.5m (18 yards) and 54m (59 yards).

For supersonic .22lr ammo (40 gr) if you sight in at 54m (59 yards) you will hit inside the vital zone between ranges of 18m (20 yards) and 60m (66 yards).

For hyper velocity .22lt ammo (CCI Stingers in this case) if you sight in at 78.5m (86 yards) you will hit inside the vital zone between ranges of 6.5m (7 yards) and 89m (98 yards).

Beyond those ranges, you need drop charts, or a bunch of practice (guess which one is most fun?)  Grin

If you put 40 gr supers in a rifle that is sighted in point blank for 40 gr subs as above, then the supers will be point blank between 5.5m (6 yards) and 62 m (68 yards)

That means you don't get much extra distance with the required accuracy, just a round going faster and making more noise!  Huh

For all the details, and the drop charts, have a look here.

If you want to have a play yourself, try these links:

This is a simple, metric, web based ballistics program

And this is the imperial version

These don't have drop charts but give you the basic results in a table.

You can lift the basic starting data from the page on point blank sighting in, or you can use this info on basic ballistic coefficients for .22lr rounds.

Hope that is some help to people and have fun out there.  Smiley



[Edit: corrected range error -- blackbunny]
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Re: Sighting in your .22lr
Reply #1 - Apr 7th, 2010 at 10:02pm
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Vanman wrote on Apr 1st, 2010 at 12:56pm:
So, for subsonic .22lr ammo (40 gr), if you sight in at 47.5m (52 yards) you will hit inside the vital zone between ranges of 16.5m (18 yards) and 54m (52 yards).


Great post and I'm going to try it out.

But you might like to revisit the above were 47.5m (52 yards) = 54m (52 yards). Wink
  
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Reply #2 - Apr 8th, 2010 at 9:03am
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Hmmm, yeah I messed that one up. That'll teach me for trying to work with 3 websites at once!  Embarrassed

I would fix it, but for some reason I can't edit that post any more.

Perhaps a friendly Duck Gunner will make the followings edits for me?  Wink

Point blank range is the distances between which a bullet will hit inside a defined vital zone when aimed smack in the middle of that zone. This method of sighting in aims to maximise that range.

So, for subsonic .22lr ammo (40 gr), if you sight in at 47.5m (52 yards) you will hit inside the vital zone between ranges of 16.5m (18 yards) and 54m (59 yards).
  

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Reply #3 - Apr 8th, 2010 at 8:21pm
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Good post Vanman,

I must admit I only shoot subs in my .22lr which is zeroed at 50m.
I did try HV but not really gaining anything, its much louder than suppressed subs and you don't really gain much in accurate range.
If I want to shoot at over 80m+, I used the 17hmr, it's designed for long range,.22lr is not.

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Reply #4 - Apr 15th, 2010 at 11:38am
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Thanks Vanman, that is very helpful indeed.
  
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Reply #5 - May 12th, 2010 at 2:07pm
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Very helpful.

If you want to calculate different PoI's for different ammo - say sub's out of a rifle zero'd for HV's here's how...

Use the above links to calculate your regular ammo trajectory. Make note of the Total Drop value at each range increment. In my case my primary is Hypers.

Then load in your 'other' ammo. In my case ... sub's

To calculate the sub trajectory take the total drop differences between Hyper and Sub, and apply that to the Hyper trajectory.

For example, my hypers are zero'd @ ~ 87 yards. At 50 yards my hypers trajectory is 1.23 inches above zero. The total drop value is 1.81 inchest.

The total drop value for subs @ 50 yards is 3.94 inches.

The total drop difference is 1.81-3.94 = -2.13 inches.

Add -2.13 inches to my HV trajectory (1.23 inches)... ie -2.13+1.23 = -0.9 inch.

So at 50 yards my hypers are 1.23 inches high, sub's are .9 inches low.

You can even throw it into an excel chart:



  
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Nice post, very very helpful Wink
  
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Reply #7 - Jun 8th, 2010 at 9:11am
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my 22 is sighted for 80m and requires only slight adjustment by me when i shoot depending on range. its good to 100m and anything in between. i just need to account for it. 80 m is a good distance. we shoot hares the size of small dogs and the subsonic nearly bounces off.
  



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Cheers, Just bought a Norinco jw15a will try this out over the weekend. Also hello to everyone, I have been a guest on this site for awhile and just recently registered. Some very interesting topics out there.
  
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Its sound good to me .
  
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Reply #10 - Nov 11th, 2010 at 11:38am
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thanks for the info. I have my 22lr sighted in so its smack on at 75m with high velocity ammo and haveing it sighted in at that range works well for me Smiley
  
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Reply #11 - Dec 9th, 2010 at 11:47pm
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shoot it in at 15 good paces puts you bang on again at 75 and good out to a 100. We used this method for many years on the rabbit board.

Shooting it in at 15 paces (yards) means you should be able to hit a ammo packet at 100 (aim for the top edge)

All our shooting was done with a ruger and Nikko 4x32  Smiley
  

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Reply #12 - Jan 28th, 2011 at 10:53pm
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exactly the way i do it also with the anschutz but i use the top or bottom thick part of the cross hairs for near or far Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
  

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Reply #13 - Feb 14th, 2011 at 5:21pm
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i sight in smack on at 25 yards and have no probs i shoot a 22 for a living a lot of the time so im not into wasting ammo as it costs to much

every gun is different and the same with the ammo its what you are used to that makes the difference
  

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Reply #14 - Apr 29th, 2011 at 11:34am
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Thanks for that info. Thats how i did it in the past but forgot how, maybe age has something to do with it.

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Reply #16 - Nov 3rd, 2011 at 12:51pm
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Just for interest how little energy a 22lr subsonic has

Energy, ft-lbs
MUZZLE      50 YARDS      75 YARDS       100 YARDS
98                     82              77                     72

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Reply #17 - Jan 18th, 2012 at 9:39pm
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Hi all, what distance would you recommend sighting in a Norinco .22 Magnum?
  
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i would guess about zeroed or 1 inch high at 100m  Smiley
  
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I've just picked up a 22mag as well, a bit of reading up suggested zero at 109yds for MBPR out to about 130, beyond that you start thinking about drop. 5.8" drop at 150yds I think.
  
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Up in the states .22lr is making a comeback as a short range 60-140meters varmit gun, cheap ammo also . They have an interesting twist on the sighting in story. Unlike most of us here in NZ who mainly sight in at 50/75meters, they sight in for a dead on zero at 120meters.
Then they shoot in at 25,50,75 etc. They note the hold under at these ranges. Their theory is, like pistol shooters, holding under keeps the target in clear view at all times and the long shot-100+ is a straight hold on dead centre. Ive tried this out on the range using metal silhouettes at ranges out to 140 and it really works. shot some bunnies a few days back using this system and shots at 100-120 were easy as I could see the target not just the top os his head at the bottom of the scope
  
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Werewolf wrote on Mar 3rd, 2013 at 9:32pm:
Up in the states .22lr is making a comeback as a short range 60-140meters varmit gun, cheap ammo also . They have an interesting twist on the sighting in story. Unlike most of us here in NZ who mainly sight in at 50/75meters, they sight in for a dead on zero at 120meters.
Then they shoot in at 25,50,75 etc. They note the hold under at these ranges. Their theory is, like pistol shooters, holding under keeps the target in clear view at all times and the long shot-100+ is a straight hold on dead centre. Ive tried this out on the range using metal silhouettes at ranges out to 140 and it really works. shot some bunnies a few days back using this system and shots at 100-120 were easy as I could see the target not just the top os his head at the bottom of the scope


The only issue with that is not a lot of scopes have holdover marks above the crosshairs for holding under do they?
  
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Reply #24 - Oct 29th, 2013 at 8:02pm
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A dialable scope and rangefinder are really essential once you get past 120yds, such is the steepness of the trajectory.

Here's my long range sniper rimfire  Wink



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nice rig there.  How do you find the match ammo on game?  I've thought about trying out some match ammo to see what accuracy my .22 is capable of, but its a hunting rifle and I've always suspected that the match stuff will be marginal on game compared to subsonic hunting ammo with a good sized hollow point
  
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All I can say is it's easily killed rabbits and maggies at those distances. Once you get down to those velocities, even hollow points can't be expected to expand usefully. Accuracy outweighs projectile design by miles. I have shot some groups at 120yds in good conditions that weren't much over an inch.
  
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Reply #27 - Sep 30th, 2015 at 2:46pm
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sounds complicated to me, my old 10/22 carbine with standard velocity cci target lead rounds and a basic tasco scope and a gunworks can on the front hits everything i shoot at. so i geuss practice counts i dunno the numbers but its a bit low at 50 and dead on at 75 so out to 100 i just aim for the middle of the vitals straight. groups well too. 10 shots just sitting without a rest on the grass all fall under 1" at 50m 
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Try 20yards or 18m. At 10y you will be about .7 of an inch under and you will be within .5 of an inch all the way out to 70yrds approx. If you are using subs zeroed at 20m you will be within cooee out to 50 yards depending on sub ballistics.
  
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Thanks for sharing that information. I'm going to try it
  
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This is great info - thanks. I'm new to this so I've got a couple of options to try. Smiley
  
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Following up on the actual sighting in this is how I head shoot rabbits with Winchester Subsonics with the POI shot in at 50 meters.   Assuming its a reasonable size rabbit use the rabbit to put your cross hairs in the right spot to from 0 to 60 meters, and a bit beyond. Your having to guess the distance but if the rabbits are bout same size, half to full grow, you will get pretty good at it.. off a rest is best.

  

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Just wondering which Winchester subs you use - I have a brick of the 40grs and I can't get better than 1 1/2" at fifty yards out of either of my BRNO's.
I measured them with a micrometer and they're quite a bit undersize - about .220" and I wondered if the low velocity wasn't bumping them into the bore.
Otherwise - terminal performance is pretty good.

Have got another brick of the old 40gr supersonic Winchester Rabbit Ammo which measures the same, but they do shoot better .......... bit noisy for where I'm shooting though.
  
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When I used to head shoot a lot of rabbits, pet food production, was some years back so not rely sure which one they was. Still using them though in the same bolt action .22 ruger 77/22. Its had the barrel shortened though for easier handling inside of a truck. Just body shoot now as not picking up, but still use something of the same sytem. Aim high if within 5-20 meters, aim high center of mass 20 -50 meters, aim top of back.. on the hair air line 50 meters .  Havnt actually shot at a piece of paper with them for years. Interesting comment you make though. Having a think about that.  Smiley
  

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Yeah, we're 'body shooting' them too, but would like them to group a bit better.
I did toy with the idea of making a die to 'bump' them up to .224/.225" to see if they shot better - and I see people do that with a Paco Kelly tool or similar, but we don't shoot .22lr that much and I'm not sure I can be bothered.

I've got some quite old .22 ammo here, 1000 rounds of the old blue box CAC supersonics and quite a few ICI's that I bought better than fifty years ago and they still shoot okay - but all too noisy around here as people get a bit antsy nowdays if they hear a gun go off up the hill.

Just measured those CAC's and they come out at a smidge over .224".

  
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Reply #36 - Apr 27th, 2020 at 6:59pm
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Have found the 42g win subs to be excellent killers and shoot well in my Brno and 10/22,the CCI subs are a little bit more accurate but don’t seem to anchor the bunny as well ,the hole in the end is a lot smaller than the Winchester I think that’s the difference..the extra 2g in weight might help as well,usually just sight in bang on @50m
  
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Just went and looked at the brick im using Mr Bomb and they are 42grainers too.  They are just shooting spot on at the moment. Hard to miss with my trigger at 1.5lbs and breaking like a dry twig.   Heaps or richochettes though. They often pass straight through.  They do the damage fir sure. No survivors to report.
  

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Cheers mate, I didn't even know those 42 grainers existed until the other day - they sound good.
Never tried the CCI's as I only really went to subs after my nephew went on and on about them a few years back when he was shooting possums - so I got some to shoot up the back and like them.

Might look up some of those heavier ones - can never have too much .22lr  Smiley

  
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Interesting topic. I've set a a 25m range (50 if no one comes up the drive) The new box of Winchester subs is far from accurate, 20mm @ 25m, but the few I had left from years ago were spot on keyhole. I don't have any left to see if they were 42g. Blue box from memory. The new ammo does flatten rabbits fine and I will use them on goats next week.
  

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Use the subs on goats if you like to hear them scream(can’t stand it myself they sound like a small child)I hav3 used the CCI velocitor on goats and it kills well under 50m
  
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Couple of years ago I shot 8 out of a mob of 10 with subs. Not a scream to be heard. It’s definitely not my go to round for them and I’ve shot many with stingers. Head shooting with subs from 10 to 40ish meters is fine.
  

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Reply #42 - May 19th, 2020 at 6:42am
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The quality of CCI and Winchester ammo just isnt there these days . Since Winchester stopped making Australian .22 ammo its been US made , and its poor quality . The Aussie stuff was very good though.

For standard velocity ammo the SK stuff in the jellymeat cans is good ammo - very greasy though
  

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