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Hilux vs SR5
Mar 1st, 2010 at 6:59pm
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Im looking at getting a decent second hand 4x4 probably 2000-2004 spending up to 25k.
What does everyone think about an SR5 vs a straight hilux in those years for offroad ability/power? Mostly would want to do riverbed bouncing and some farm trackwork as well as on road and tow a boat.
Does the SR5 cut it as a serious 4wd? I know they have more towing power with the turbo. Ive been happy with the 2 landcruisers Ive owned previously but wanted to go hilux this time.
All advice welcomed.
  
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Re: Hilux vs SR5
Reply #1 - Mar 1st, 2010 at 7:03pm
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The Sr5 is just the same power and it has more bells I have one with a 3 ltr turbo and enjoy it.Good wagon and hold value.
  
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Reply #2 - Mar 1st, 2010 at 7:08pm
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The SR5 will be the same but have a few "comfort" extras like electric windows, elecrtic mirrors, a few flash stickers and wheel arch flares.

The ones to look for are the KZN185 models. Wink


  
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Reply #3 - Mar 1st, 2010 at 7:48pm
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Thanks fellas.
What do you think about freewheeling hubs on the hilux vs the electric ones on the SR5, are they just as robust?
  
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Reply #4 - Mar 1st, 2010 at 8:37pm
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They're not electric (like the old crappy prado). The system locks the centre diff (transfer) to make front axles work.
Not a bad system.
We don't see many problems with it at work
  
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Reply #5 - Mar 1st, 2010 at 8:39pm
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Brilliant thanks thats what I wanted to hear! SR5 it is. Grin
  
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Where abouts are you?
  
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Still in aussie for 3-4 weeks then will be back in canterbury.
  
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Reply #8 - Mar 1st, 2010 at 9:04pm
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When you're back in Canterbury drop in to Ilam Toyota and catch up with me and Stevo (270moss)
I'm sure either of us could check out a truck for you if you need Wink
  
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Reply #9 - Mar 1st, 2010 at 10:29pm
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Thanks mate I might just take you up on that.  Smiley
  
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Reply #10 - Mar 1st, 2010 at 10:29pm
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i'm not all that up on the hiluxs for that year but it sounds like your getting the hilux mixed with the surf.
hilux i think was still manual hubs but surfs run ADD system. it connects/disconnects inside the front diff. no centre diff.
prado has centre diff which makes it full time 4x4.

KZN185 is a surf not a hilux.
  
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I think there is a hilux sr5 and a surf/4 runner sr5 is that right? Im interested in the hilux sr5 hopefully not a surf!
  
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Reply #12 - Mar 1st, 2010 at 11:05pm
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don't get to hung up on names.
i've seen a hilux surf landcruiser before.
SR5 is typically the top spec of the range. ie all the flash trimmings.
but it doesn't always mean a non-SR5 is less. especially has we get so many imports from various countries, different countries can have different labels for the different spec hiluxs.
unfortunately names get thrown on everything and anything, it can be confusing as hell.
  
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hehe youre not wrong  Wink
  
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Re: Hilux vs SR5
Reply #14 - Mar 2nd, 2010 at 7:43am
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good thread mate, im am looking to get/spend the same later this year.

Tweake and cambo do you have a list of sorts of things to look for when buying a second hand hilux 1999-2004 mate.
If you have any ideas that would be awsome.

Sorry for the hijack  Wink
  
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No worries  Wink its all good info.
  
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Re: Hilux vs SR5
Reply #16 - Mar 2nd, 2010 at 7:09pm
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I don't know what I was thinking Embarrassed
The front auto hubs are vacuum activated on the front diff.
The actuator on the transfer is to get 4wd (Button on the lever). Then the lever is used to get high or low ratio.
Still not a problem though.

There is a NZ new 4runner SR5 model, almost the same as a surf.
Didn't come out with a 3L turbo, only 2.8 diesel and 3L V6 petrol.

Like any vehicle it's worth getting it checked out properly.
There's not a lot of things to look for on the Hilux,
(but a few things that I can think of at the moment....)
For a diesel get leak down and comp tests done,
Make sure servicing has been regular,
Replace glow plugs (on a 1KZ engine) if it's done a few k's,
Check LSD is ok,

I'll add more things as I think of them... Wink


  
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Reply #17 - Mar 2nd, 2010 at 7:34pm
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Cambo wrote on Mar 2nd, 2010 at 7:09pm:
There is a NZ new 4runner SR5 model, almost the same as a surf.

thats cause it is a surf. 4runners are the bottom spec surf tho usually with higher spec trim and exported to various markets.

i don't know much on the hiluxs (more of a navara person) but usual things should apply. engine condition, clutch etc. check that 4wd selector works (many have never been in 4wd before and sometimes 4wd won't work). toyota LSD are fairly weak so check it still works at all.
  
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Reply #18 - Mar 3rd, 2010 at 5:49pm
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I drive a 2001 Hilux D/C 4x4 3L non-turbo. I have driven several turbo ones of about the same era as well. Off road, mine is absolutely fine, I think as good as the turbo models. On road, a bit gutless if towing or big hills. Would love a turbo at those times.
Good luck finding a reasonably priced one without 250+ kms on the clock..........
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Reply #19 - Mar 4th, 2010 at 8:35am
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how many km's is too much on a hilux of that time, 99-04?
  
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As long as the servicing was done correctly and regularly, and it was treated well, who knows? There are a lot of Hilux's around with 500+ on them.
  
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Reply #21 - Mar 4th, 2010 at 9:35pm
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i currently have a 04 hilux nz new 3l non turbo, i paid 30grand and it had 30000ks on the clock when i brought it, the sr5 model had a turbo all electrics, carpets, etc etc but was 9 grand dearer and had over double the kms too (there were several to choose from)  mines got vinal floor and door trims so no worries about a few bourbys gettin spilled in the bumpy stuff no dramas about muddy boots after bein stuck in the mud after too many bourbys and sweet as when ya stuck in the river at 3am Grin i put vinal seat covers on too so a bit of blood on ya shirts all good too. pulls well on hill, goes well on the open road looses a bit on the hills when overloaded with gear but not bad, all in all a great truck save ya money and buy a tidier truck with less kms and get a real hunting wagon Cool
  
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Reply #22 - Mar 6th, 2010 at 9:03pm
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I've got a 1999 non turbo d/cab that i've owned for bout 5 years now, bought it at 180k now its just about to hit 290k.

It's had a hard life, the last owner was a cocky that's not too gentle with his trucks (but is good at maintaining them) and I've treated it much the same.

I've had no problems with it at all, I service it every 5k now the k's are up there other than that i've done the timing belt and water pump.

The non turbos are gutless on road if you run bigger tyres on them though, I've got 32's on mine and its a real chore passing or on hills.

Offroad with the bigger tyres you will find yourself dropping into lowbox more than you normally would.


  
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Reply #23 - Mar 7th, 2010 at 7:56am
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How much would it cost to put  a turbo on a non turbo hilux (same turbo as the SR5).  Huh
  
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Reply #24 - Mar 7th, 2010 at 8:53am
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There is a good Safari kit, that cost quite a bit though.
ARB sell them I think. The Safari kits are good though. Worth the money.
There are other kits available too though but I haven't had anything to do with them.

There is a bit more to it than throwing on a turb and going for it though. That's why it'll be better to get a kit.

http://www.turbocare.co.nz/light-commercial
These guys are here in CHCH and they know their stuff. We deal with them through work and have found them to be VERY good.

here's a few others that do kits.....
http://www.airpowersystems.com/safari/product_list.html#turbo
http://www.dtsturbo.com.au/toyota%203l.html
http://www.turboglide.com.au/turbochargers/3ltrhilux.htm
http://www.axtturbo.com.au/Turbos.html
http://www.capa.com.au/turbo_kits_diesel.htm
  
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thanks cambo ill get reading.  Wink
  
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hey matey just got a 94 hilux 2.8 turbo it is absaloutly faultless even better being solid beam front verry capible off road i got mine for hunting fishing and some pretty tough 4wdn and it has never let me down or been stuck and there pretty solid if you do happen to crash or roll.
thatd be my pick ive had 3 toyota 4wds now and ill never get any thing different
  
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Reply #27 - Mar 7th, 2010 at 9:02pm
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Thanks everyone for the great info  Grin Im sizing up an SR5 on trademe.
Would be as happy with a straight hilux if I could find one with few enough kms like someone else said.
Hopefully the budget will stretch.
  
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The write up with it is the best part. Gotta love NZ!!
  
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bit of info from carjam, its listed a being red and has been wound back 200,000km ! (100,000 when it was sold, twice. o how times have changed)
  
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bit of info from carjam, its listed a being red and has been wound back 200,000km ! (100,000 when it was sold, twice. o how times have changed)


I suspect thats only the trayback. The front half, origins unknown Grin
  
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If youre looking to own it for a long time, i would consider getting non turbo. my mechanic said GENERALLY turbo models will only do half the kms of non turbo just because the turbos work the engine so much harder. may be different for newer models though.
  
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you simply can't buy a late model diesel thats doesn't have a turbo.
older ones you can but they are lowered powered than the turbo version and use the SAME amount of fuel (approximately).

how many people do more than 400,000km's with one vehicle ?
  
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tweake wrote on Mar 18th, 2010 at 7:48pm:
you simply can't buy a late model diesel thats doesn't have a turbo.
older ones you can but they are lowered powered than the turbo version and use the SAME amount of fuel (approximately).

how many people do more than 400,000km's with one vehicle ?


For the type of hilux he is considering you have the option, yes that is true not many people would  Grin
  
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Reply #36 - Mar 18th, 2010 at 8:48pm
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Non turbo diesels can best be described as supremely gutless, dont do it if you can help it!

The mechanic who said that is an old timer stuck in timewarp, find a new mechanic.

Maintained modern diesels do last barring overheating or damage as long as serviced. Seen plenty of high mileage stuff still going strong. Mate has a Hyundai van done 480,000 km and still going well, never been apart. He is a courier. My Ford Courier turbo diesel I hvw had from new is just under 280,000km and engine is fine. Tight for a diesel and no smoke to speak of. Quality oil and factory filter changed 7 - 8,000km probably helps but I also dont pay much to have it done by a mate on his hoist.
  
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Reply #37 - Mar 21st, 2010 at 8:43pm
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I just noticed that the add for that wee ripper of a truck has been changed Smiley

Now its more of a project truck for a keen 4wd club member lol

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=277669796

The Q/A  about the cd player is funny  Grin
  
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I'm so tempted to log on and ask about the cd player, just to confirm once again if it has one or not  Cheesy


  
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Thanks everyone for the great info Grin Im sizing up an SR5 on trademe.
Would be as happy with a straight hilux if I could find one with few enough kms like someone else said.
Hopefully the budget will stretch.




Straight 1990 beam front axle, SR5 2.8 standard diesel, 2 inch lift on the springs, long travel shocks, snorkel, limited slip dif just coming up on 166,000 km

Just to let you know they exist Tom, this one is mine there are a few like it going for around 10 k to 14 k Smiley

93 onwards you get the whimpy IFS front wheels, stay with a beam front axle for offroad if you don't like the 2.8 drop in a 3L trurbo later  Smiley
  

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Well, I got all barred up about buying an SR5 for 30k plus, then found a good straight hilux 2002 with 108 000km on it for quite a bit cheaper so bought it! Very tidy hilux but it does have the girly front end - might have to tinker with the supension.
Got the mudchuckers on already.

Yes very nice hilux Shaun, yours looks like a goodie.
  
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Well, I got all barred up about buying an SR5 for 30k plus, then found a good straight hilux 2002 with 108 000km on it for quite a bit cheaper so bought it! Very tidy hilux but it does have the girly front end - might have to tinker with the supension.
Got the mudchuckers on already.

Yes very nice hilux Shaun, yours looks like a goodie.


Good stuff Ethos, low k's as well.

If you decide to spend some coin on it I'd recommend a locker first then a lift, or both if the budget allows but a locker will get you through stuff that a solid front axle hilux with no locker wont get through.

A 50mm suspension lift will mean you can run 32's or maybe 33's with some guard trimming.

Prepare for some lightening of the wallet once you head down the modifiying path though, trust me I know Undecided






  
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cheers Wink
Snorkel and bullbar on the list too..
  
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