I have seen ex demo units go for as little as a couple of hundred USD from Doug. They offer a good range of bold and/or illuminated reticles.
To get a german no 4 in a leupold 4x or 6x you need to go through the custom shop which adds cost. They do offer the heavy duplex but it's not quite as good as the crosshairs are fatter and the outer posts are thinner than the german no 4.
The reason that the german reticles are called german is that they do a lot of night hunting which the yanks don't do as it's illegal for most game species in the states.
Edit: There is also the Trijicon range of scopes with their radioactive illuminated reticle and bible references stamped on the side. Not cheap but they are apparently the bomb.
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Re: best night scope Reply #16 - Feb 18th, 2010 at 8:28pm
Yep! That's just what you need. About 5000 bunnies will cover that. I should have given you a go with my wee Fenix the other night Stephen, the little buggers seemed to hold in that O.K. after I'd found them with the big light.
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Yep! That's just what you need. About 5000 bunnies will cover that. I should have given you a go with my wee Fenix the other night Stephen, the little buggers seemed to hold in that O.K. after I'd found them with the big light.
umm at the kill rate we were getting I should have that paid off in about 5 years and just enough left over for a short retirement. Things have improved. That was my worst night.
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To my eye optics wise they're pretty much the same. No milkyness when zoomed up.
In a weird way crosshair reticle, I like them both as they do their job. The Mueller with the sharp 30/30 on the HM2
but the Hawke with mildot because when I need to do longer range on the .22 I use them
When shooting the HM2 longer range it's still point and click for me, for the .22 the mildots are handy for drop. Ignore the flare, etc in the photos, I'm still playing around trying to sort out positioning for scope cam videos.
crzy-man, awesome work at living up to your name and great input to the thread. Well done.
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Re: best night scope Reply #22 - Feb 19th, 2010 at 1:11am
I don't want to upset anyone but if you want the best light (as you asked for) we are talking about the three big europeand brands and bigger is better. I have tryed most of them and I would say you can't get any better light them zeiss varipoint 3-12x56.
But would I pay 3 500 dollar for a scoope for the 22? Not a chans in h*ll. I would probarbly go for a old fixed swarro or zeiss in 4x42, 6x42, 7x50 or a 8x56 depending on how important the light is. Over here you can get hold of that kind of scoopes for 400-600 dollars.
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Re: best night scope Reply #23 - Feb 19th, 2010 at 7:39am
To my eye optics wise they're pretty much the same. No milkyness when zoomed up.
In a weird way crosshair reticle, I like them both as they do their job. The Mueller with the sharp 30/30 on the HM2
but the Hawke with mildot because when I need to do longer range on the .22 I use them
When shooting the HM2 longer range it's still point and click for me, for the .22 the mildots are handy for drop. Ignore the flare, etc in the photos, I'm still playing around trying to sort out positioning for scope cam videos.
crzy-man, awesome work at living up to your name and great input to the thread. Well done.
I gave advice on the best scope for the job unlike you. You gave advice on what you "could" use on a limited budget that work's "ok".
Both those photo's are out of focus and blurey (could be the camera but I dought it), this may be sharp optic's in your eye's but until you pick up a good scope and look through you have no idea what your on about.
I don't want to upset anyone but if you want the best light (as you asked for) we are talking about the three big europeand brands and bigger is better. I have tryed most of them and I would say you can't get any better light them zeiss varipoint 3-12x56.
But would I pay 3 500 dollar for a scoope for the 22? Not a chans in h*ll. I would probarbly go for a old fixed swarro or zeiss in 4x42, 6x42, 7x50 or a 8x56 depending on how important the light is. Over here you can get hold of that kind of scoopes for 400-600 dollars.
Are you talking NZ $$
“We either make ourselves miserable, or we make ourselves strong. The amount of work is the same.”
To my eye optics wise they're pretty much the same. No milkyness when zoomed up.
In a weird way crosshair reticle, I like them both as they do their job. The Mueller with the sharp 30/30 on the HM2
but the Hawke with mildot because when I need to do longer range on the .22 I use them
When shooting the HM2 longer range it's still point and click for me, for the .22 the mildots are handy for drop. Ignore the flare, etc in the photos, I'm still playing around trying to sort out positioning for scope cam videos.
crzy-man, awesome work at living up to your name and great input to the thread. Well done.
Nice pics KScott, the hare is a cracker.
“We either make ourselves miserable, or we make ourselves strong. The amount of work is the same.”
Yeah, the hare flopped over moment later, without a twitch.
crzy-man, I'm not going to derail a thread for you, but your input of "I gave advice on the best scope for the job unlike you" is "crap, crap crap" ? Uh huh, sure. A scope costing nearly $5000.
As I pointed out but you've obviously skipped reading, ignore the quality of the photos as I was still playing around with settings of my scope cam. I assumed normal people wouldn't use the scope photos solely as a buying guide for quality, considering how challenging it is to take a photo through a scope while still shooting out in the field. Obviously my expectations were set too high for some.
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Re: best night scope Reply #27 - Feb 19th, 2010 at 9:26am
In scale of importance- 1/Small difference in lens size up from 40 to 56 a bit less than 100% more light gathering. 2/Lens coatings are important. 90% vs 95% top end makes a diferenc. Can't really identify with 90% 3/and then include something like Zeiss T coating for a bit more improvement. Anything with assembled in USA on won't have that.
Cranking out the diopter helps a bit but start to loose resolution.
In scale of importance- 1/Small difference in lens size up from 40 to 56 a bit less than 100% more light gathering. 2/Lens coatings are important. 90% vs 95% top end makes a diferenc. Can't really identify with 90% 3/and then include something like Zeiss T coating for a bit more improvement. Anything with assembled in USA on won't have that.
Cranking out the diopter helps a bit but start to loose resolution.
The bigger lens size means thescope is going to be mounted a little higher over the barrel? Is this going to be a disadvantage shooting short distances, say under 30-40 m. Im talking about head shooting so a relativly small target.
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