Been a bit of talk of late about stags shot in hard velvet and how to go about colouring them up
There was one on here the other week with fence stain but it looked a bit "painted" for my liking so I thought I would shear what I use and how to do it to get a natural look
I have coloured a fair few heads now for myself and mates both hard velvet head and sun bleached Its not a hard to get them looking good just takes a bit of time
You will need some potassium permanganate, a small paint brush, a knife or a metal ruler and some coarse and fine sand paper
You can pick up the potassium permanganate from the chemist for a couple of dollars 30g would do a few heads
Mix the potassium permanganate with boiling water to dissolve the crystals then brush onto the antler (make sure you have a good drop sheet down or do it out side on the grass as it can get a little messy) it will be a purple colour to start with but once it drys in an hour or so it will end up brown
Brush the main beam and feather it out to the points, if you want a lighter finished colour only give it one coat if you want a dark finish give it a couple of coats
You can either use the course sand paper or the edge of a steal ruler or the blade of a knife to expose the pearling and to feather the points to forum a natural look then use the fine sand paper to finish of
A before and after
A lighter natrually coloured on the left and one I coloured a bit darker on the right
Here is a head I coloured up for a mate
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Re: Colouring antler Reply #1 - Feb 11th, 2009 at 6:33am
tried to get some potassium permanganate from the chemist but they would only sell it in 500grms that cost over $100.Looked on google and seen that potassium permanganate can be used for making bombs which may explain the price. would like some more suggestions for staining stags heads as i have one a nice 12 pointer to do.cheers.
If you have no joy getting Potassium permanganate from the chemist, then try asking for Condy's crystals. GP's still prescribe it for children with infected eczema to take baths in. It's the same stuff by a different name. MADNESS was right, your "chemist" person was being a co*k. Ask for it from the pharmacist dude (the person with a degree in pharmacology, usually out the back), not the sales assistant "manning" the counter.
Finally found some,after 5 chemist,3 vets and numerous other places i found a chemist that sells it in small pottles of 30g approx. If anyone is having as much problems finding this stuff as i did, pm me and ill get some more and send it to you.It only cost 5 bucks to buy.
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Re: Colouring antler Reply #14 - Jun 27th, 2011 at 9:16am
I had an impressive Red stag brought to me for work. Shot at the end of February, fair chase on the Wairarapa coast, in hard velvet. I knew this thread was here, or I wouldn't have accepted the job. Thank you MADNESS. The head was a hell of a mess, after 4 months on top of a tankstand:
Because I hadn't stained before, tho I do lots of European mounts, there were a couple of things which were not evident to me from the instructions. Firstly, the dilution rate. I bought 25g of potassium permangate and I obtained advice (thanks Alan L.) to use boiling water to give a large coffee mug. Gives sufficient for a big Red stag or a Wapiti. Here is the container I mixed in and stained from:
The other query, it wasn't clear just when I had to work on the pearling. You let the stain thoroughly dry first. I worked with the back of a heavy knife. I'm very happy with the end result.
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Re: Colouring antler Reply #15 - Jun 27th, 2011 at 9:26am
Gonna resurrect this post for a bit - just about to colour a velvet head I stripped. The bit about the pearling I don't understand. Should do I just run the edge down the 'ridges' in order to expose the white?
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Re: Colouring antler Reply #21 - Feb 14th, 2012 at 1:19pm
Yes, exactly. What u are doing is replicating the same shiny surface the stag achieves with his rubbing and slashing. The bark juices stay in the material of the pearling "gullies" and act on the bone to produce the color. The color depends on what type of wood/shrubs/tussock he has thrashed upon. Use the back of a heavy sheath knife or a steel rule.
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Re: Colouring antler Reply #22 - Feb 14th, 2012 at 5:32pm
For those who run across this thread in the future - check out trademe. Seller called countingsheep1 in Hawkes Bay. I just got 200g of PM to my door for just under $12+Post.
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Re: Colouring antler Reply #23 - Feb 22nd, 2012 at 8:28pm
I've done a couple of heads this way before but never a fallow head. I while back I offered to colour up a fallow head for a mate, he wasn't really fussed so I grabbed it anyway and finally got around to doing it over the last couple of days. This guys one of those people who don't really care about trophys but always seems to stumble across some really nice heads, typical! This is a beautiful head and deserved to be tidied up and put on the wall.
Here's the before shots:
I was still pretty nervous about doing this, especially the palms. It turned out a little darker than I was planning but I'm still reasonable happy with how it turned out.
Here's the finished result:
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Re: Colouring antler Reply #25 - Jun 21st, 2012 at 10:12am
nice head with an unusually wide shape to it. came up well jamie, looks much better coloured up. personally i think the palm points need whitening up though.
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Re: Colouring antler Reply #26 - Jun 21st, 2012 at 10:14am
Your color is OK, heads from Kaipara & Wairarapa (polished on Kanuka) are that color. Blue mountains too. I think u did a good job. I might have left a tad more color on the inside of the palms.
Good result tho. Well done.
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Re: Colouring antler Reply #27 - Feb 3rd, 2015 at 2:01pm
Ok so I have gone and bought myself some of this stuff and am gonna have a bit of a play. Now these heads all look awesome but granted that not all antlers are the same colour ,is it possible to use a weaker mix to achieve a slightly less darker antler ?After a lighter brown even reddish look if ya know what I'm saying
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Re: Colouring antler Reply #29 - Feb 9th, 2015 at 8:03pm
Yes, that really comes with experience, but it's just a matter of a weaker mixture and applying less. Before you start, read the original post by Madness and some that I did a couple of years back, when I was doing a lot of that work.
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Re: Colouring antler Reply #30 - Feb 10th, 2015 at 3:52pm
Ok so i've had a bit of a mere with this last set i've got on the go. I was given the head in a fairly bad state,with alot of skin strands still left on the beams and in between pearling. I thought i would use some hydrochloric acid to help remove the skin.This work great ,with the help of a wire brush it came off sweet.So after a hose of and drying i got to work on the staining.
Patches of the antler where the acid didn't come off properly have come up in an orangey tinge ,i'm guessing cos the stain couldn't penetrate properly.This has left a very patchy looking set of antlers and I am totally annoyed with myself.
Im wondering if anyone has experience with using acid to remove the stain?I know it works to a point but don't wanna just go ahead and do it in case i ruin it beyond repair. My idea would be to try and get as much off as possible and give it one hell of a clean and start the process again.
Would be keen to hear any thoughts/advice on this.
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Re: Colouring antler Reply #36 - May 12th, 2015 at 11:37pm
A southern Ruahine red that I cleaned up for my old man using this method a while back. Shot in early Feb I think, velvet dried on and was pretty hard to get off. Before
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Re: Colouring antler Reply #39 - May 24th, 2015 at 7:23am