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Colouring antler
Feb 10th, 2009 at 11:44pm
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Been a bit of talk of late about stags shot in hard velvet and how to go about colouring them up

There was one on here the other week with fence stain but it looked a bit "painted" for my liking so I thought I would shear what I use and how to do it to get a natural look

I have coloured a fair few heads now for myself and mates
both hard velvet head and sun bleached
Its not a hard to get them looking good just takes a bit of time

You will need some potassium permanganate, a small paint brush, a knife or a metal ruler and some coarse and fine sand paper

You can pick up the potassium permanganate from the chemist for a couple of dollars 30g would
do a few heads


Mix the potassium permanganate with boiling water to dissolve the crystals  
then brush onto the antler
(make sure you have a good drop sheet down or do it out side on the grass as it can get a little messy)
it will be a purple colour to start with but once it drys in an hour or so it will end up brown


Brush the main beam and feather it out to the points,
if you want a lighter finished colour only give it one coat
if you want a dark finish give it a couple of coats  


You can either use the course sand paper
or the edge of a steal ruler or the blade of a knife
to expose the pearling and to feather the points  
to forum a natural look
then use the fine sand paper to finish of


A before and after


A lighter natrually coloured on the left and one I coloured a bit darker on the right


Here is a head I coloured up for a mate
  
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Re: Colouring antler
Reply #1 - Feb 11th, 2009 at 6:33am
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hey nice head what did it score dude
  
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2506 wrote on Feb 11th, 2009 at 6:33am:
hey nice head what did it score dude

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Reply #3 - Feb 11th, 2009 at 7:45am
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Did you seal them with anything? I did these samba antlers a couple years ago but they've faded a lot & need redoing.



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Reply #4 - Feb 11th, 2009 at 7:55am
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No I don't seal them with anything, some have been done 15 years now and haven't faided at all

Did you only give it one coat? looks like your water to crystal mix might have been a little diluted  Undecided
  
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Reply #5 - Feb 11th, 2009 at 7:58am
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Can't remember the mix, got he recipe off the interweb & did them twice. Been indoors ever since..
  
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Reply #6 - Feb 11th, 2009 at 8:11am
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Id say you watered it down to much looking at the pic of it on the fence

I did this red head of mine 15 years ago and it hasn't faided at all
  
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Reply #7 - Feb 11th, 2009 at 8:15am
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I'll give it another go then with a good strong mix.  Smiley
  
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Reply #8 - Feb 11th, 2009 at 9:13am
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Hell of a red madness! Ive done a few with nugget that come out good and stay good if inside.
  

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Re: Colouring antler
Reply #9 - Jul 9th, 2009 at 7:00am
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tried to get some potassium permanganate from the chemist but they would only sell it in 500grms that cost over $100.Looked on google and seen that potassium permanganate can be used for making bombs which may explain the price.
would like some more suggestions for staining stags heads as i have one  a nice 12 pointer to do.cheers.
  
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Reply #10 - Jul 9th, 2009 at 7:09am
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Try another chemist the one you delt with is being a co*k  Roll Eyes

I've never had a problem buys it in smaller lots e.g. 30/50g at a time
  
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Reply #11 - Jul 9th, 2009 at 8:29am
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Here's what I got from the vet, was nowhere near what your chemist is trying to rip you off for.

  
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Reply #12 - Aug 9th, 2009 at 8:00pm
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If you have no joy getting Potassium permanganate from the chemist, then try asking for Condy's crystals. GP's still prescribe it for children with infected eczema to take baths in. It's the same stuff by a different name. MADNESS was right, your "chemist" person was being a co*k. Ask for it from the pharmacist dude (the person with a degree in pharmacology, usually out the back), not the sales assistant "manning" the counter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potassium_permanganate

Posted link so you can see for yourself.
  
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Reply #13 - Oct 15th, 2009 at 6:08pm
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Finally found some,after 5 chemist,3 vets and numerous other places i found a chemist that sells it in small pottles of 30g approx.
If anyone is having as much problems finding this stuff as i did, pm me and ill get some more and send it to you.It only cost 5 bucks to buy.
  
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Reply #14 - Jun 27th, 2011 at 9:16am
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I had an impressive Red stag brought to me for work. Shot at the end of February, fair chase on the Wairarapa coast, in hard velvet. I knew this thread was here, or I wouldn't have accepted the job. Thank you MADNESS. The head was a hell of a mess, after 4 months on top of a tankstand:


Because I hadn't stained before, tho I do lots of European mounts, there were a couple of things which were not evident to me from the instructions. Firstly, the dilution rate. I bought 25g of potassium permangate and I obtained advice (thanks Alan L.) to use boiling water to give a large coffee mug. Gives sufficient for a big Red stag or a Wapiti. Here is the container I mixed in and stained from:


The other query, it wasn't clear just when I had to work on the pearling. You let the stain thoroughly dry first. I worked with the back of a heavy knife.
I'm very happy with the end result.
  

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Reply #15 - Jun 27th, 2011 at 9:26am
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Your not wrong there Grandad, thats a very impressive head.

Quality work on your part too re: colouring.  Looks great!
  
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Reply #16 - Jun 27th, 2011 at 12:11pm
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wow he came up very well grandad! good work.
  
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Reply #17 - Nov 18th, 2011 at 10:49am
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Whats the ratio for mixing with water?
  

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brian wrote on Nov 18th, 2011 at 10:49am:
Whats the ratio for mixing with water?


See Reply 14. 25g to a large coffee mug of boiling water.
  

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Reply #20 - Feb 14th, 2012 at 12:47pm
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Gonna resurrect this post for a bit - just about to colour a velvet head I stripped.
The bit about the pearling I don't understand.
Should do I just run the edge down the 'ridges' in order to expose the white?

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Reply #21 - Feb 14th, 2012 at 1:19pm
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Yes, exactly. What u are doing is replicating the same shiny surface the stag achieves with his rubbing and slashing.  The bark juices stay in the material of the pearling "gullies" and act on the bone to produce the color.  The color depends on what type of wood/shrubs/tussock he has thrashed upon.
Use the back of a heavy sheath knife or a steel rule.
  

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Reply #22 - Feb 14th, 2012 at 5:32pm
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For those who run across this thread in the future - check out trademe.
Seller called countingsheep1 in Hawkes Bay.
I just got 200g of PM to my door for just under $12+Post.

  
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Reply #23 - Feb 22nd, 2012 at 8:28pm
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Great thread, I never knew it was done like this.

That may well be cause Im yet to bag my first deer.
Some clever buggers on here.

I can only imagine what the bath looks like (mentioned earlier for medical treatment with the potassium) when the kids are in it, like a homicide!
  
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Reply #24 - Jun 21st, 2012 at 10:02am
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I've done a couple of heads this way before but never a fallow head. I while back I offered to colour up a fallow head for a mate, he wasn't really fussed so I grabbed it anyway and finally got around to doing it over the last couple of days.
This guys one of those people who don't really care about trophys but always seems to stumble across some really nice heads, typical!
This is a beautiful head and deserved to be tidied up and put on the wall.

Here's the before shots:









I was still pretty nervous about doing this, especially the palms. It turned out a little darker than I was planning but I'm still reasonable happy with how it turned out.

Here's the finished result:









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Reply #25 - Jun 21st, 2012 at 10:12am
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nice head with an unusually wide shape to it.
came up well jamie, looks much better coloured up. personally i think the palm points need whitening up though.
  
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Reply #26 - Jun 21st, 2012 at 10:14am
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Your color is OK, heads from Kaipara & Wairarapa (polished on Kanuka) are that color. Blue mountains too. I think u did a good job.  I might have left a tad more color on the inside of the palms.

Good result tho. Well done.
  

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Reply #28 - Feb 9th, 2015 at 5:40pm
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Ok so I have gone and bought myself some of this stuff and am gonna have a bit of a play.
Now these heads all look awesome but granted that not all antlers are the same colour ,is it possible to use a weaker mix to achieve a slightly less darker antler ?After a lighter brown even reddish look if ya know what I'm saying

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Reply #29 - Feb 9th, 2015 at 8:03pm
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Yes, that really comes with experience, but it's just a matter of a weaker mixture and applying less.  Before you start, read the original post by Madness  and some that I did a couple of years back, when I was doing a lot of that work.
  

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Reply #30 - Feb 10th, 2015 at 3:52pm
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I find that i have to put a number of coats on to get it anywhere near that dark, simply a case of mixing it slightly less strongly.

Will take some pics of some done to different darknesses if i get a moment
  
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Yea I nailed mine first attempt.Was really amazed with this stuff
At how realistic it looks.
Bloody clever dick who figured it out.
  
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Reply #32 - Feb 11th, 2015 at 6:56pm
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I did a set of antlers this afternoon.  This stuff should come with a warning about the reaction mothers have when it is applied to a six year old.... Undecided

Antlers came up good, Flynny not so much, hairy is in the dog box again... Grin
  

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hairy wrote on Feb 11th, 2015 at 6:56pm:
I did a set of antlers this afternoon.  This stuff should come with a warning about the reaction mothers have when it is applied to a six year old.... Undecided

Antlers came up good, Flynny not so much, hairy is in the dog box again... Grin



Hahaha! It wears off eventually  Grin
  
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hairy wrote on Feb 11th, 2015 at 6:56pm:
I did a set of antlers this afternoon.  This stuff should come with a warning about the reaction mothers have when it is applied to a six year old.... Undecided

Antlers came up good, Flynny not so much, hairy is in the dog box again... Grin


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Reply #35 - May 10th, 2015 at 4:04pm
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Ok so i've had a bit of a mere with this last set i've got on the go.
I was given the head in a fairly bad state,with alot of skin strands still left on the beams and in between pearling.
I thought i would use some hydrochloric acid to help remove the skin.This work great ,with the help of a wire brush it came off sweet.So after a hose of and drying i got to work on the staining.

Patches of the antler where the acid didn't come off properly have come up in an orangey tinge ,i'm guessing cos the stain couldn't penetrate properly.This has left a very patchy looking set of antlers and I am totally annoyed with myself. Angry

Im wondering if anyone has experience with using acid to remove the stain?I know it works to a point but don't wanna just go ahead and do it in case i ruin it beyond repair.
My idea would be to try and get as much off as possible and give it one hell of a clean and start the process again.

Would be keen to hear any thoughts/advice on this.

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Reply #36 - May 12th, 2015 at 11:37pm
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I'd try water blasting it first before I used acid on them
  

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Reply #37 - May 13th, 2015 at 11:04pm
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Yea thats what i have done in the past but dog had chewwed hose on mates water blaster so i was feeling drastic.

It seems to have come up well now,just had to keep at it Wink
  
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Reply #38 - May 22nd, 2015 at 1:54pm
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A southern Ruahine red that I cleaned up for my old man using this method a while back. Shot in early Feb I think, velvet dried on and was pretty hard to get off.

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