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Aug 19th, 2007 at 8:03pm
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Public service announcement for those that may not be aware. †Smiley

Since we were moving house a while back and I was setting up a loading/gunroom area in the basement garage I figured I should check up on the requirements for powder storage, more so since I had about 20lbs and a few thousand primers as well.

It appears that the law requires that all powder is stored in a locked shed that is seperate from the actual dwelling. †I didn't see any reference to how far from a dwelling or whatever, just that it be in a different building and not in the house.

That wasn't going to work out so well so I checked with the insurance company. †They said that it was fine to have powder in the garage that was attached to the house so long as it was under some form of lock and key so it wasn't immediately accessible by kids or whatever. †They noted on our policy that I said I would have up to whatever the quantity was that I stated, something like 10 - 15kg or something. †Can't figure why the insurance would have no issue but there you go.

If you are forced to keep powder in the house it might pay to check with your insurers, most wives would be pretty gutted if an insurance company didn't pay out on a house fire claim because her loving husband had 5 tins of powder in the spare room with his loading gear !!
  
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Reply #1 - Aug 21st, 2007 at 7:50am
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Thanks for that. Dont want to be giving insurance companies a reason not to pay out
  
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Reply #2 - Aug 28th, 2007 at 12:56am
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I was told by the cops it was illegal to store in the house, which of course negates any Insurance claims. I store mine in the garage in an old fridge which is also locked. The fridge, being insulated helps to keep powder at a constant temperature which is all good and folows manufacturers recomendations.
  
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Reply #3 - Aug 28th, 2007 at 12:59am
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This is interesting as I would have thought as long as stored appropriatley and secured it should be fine..
  
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Reply #4 - Aug 28th, 2007 at 2:25am
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Steve,

Are you meaning a seperate garage or an internal access garage ?

If the grage is a different building to the house then that is fine, if it is attached to the house I think it still isn't theoretically correct.

I ran into a lot of problems trying to track down the exact details of what was required and never did satisfy myself that an internal access garage was suitable in the eyes of the law.  Like I said, I told the insurance company exactly what the situation was and even that I had doubts about the legal aspects and they said it was fine.  I am not sure what the insurers stand would be in case oif a fire if I had not told them about it !!

Like I said to the insurers, it is less of a danger/concern that a drum of outboard motor or lawnmower petrol and who doesn't have that in an internal accessed garage ??
  
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Reply #5 - Aug 28th, 2007 at 10:35pm
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My garage is a seperate building. However as always these things tend to be a grey area so I rang my insurance company and they didn't know but would get back to me so I will keep you updated.
  
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I raised this with FMG about 3 weeks ago during  review. They had no problem with gun powder properly stored  in an internal access garrage. Nor did the cop who did my lic renewal last week.
  
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I did some digging to pull up the relevant information.

" Where table 7 in Schedule 2 requires a substance to be secured under lock and key, that substance may merely be secured in a container used only to secure class 1 substances so that a person cannot gain access to the substance without tools, keys, or any other device used for operating locks, provided that the container is located separate from any dwelling. "

Note the last part about being separate from a dwelling.   (I never did get a hard and fast answer from anybody as to whether an internal accessed basement garage is regarded as separate from a dwelling).

The above applies to smokeless powder in quantities of less than 15kg and when not for sale.  Basically a guy at home with powder for his own use.  I blieve that black powder tops out at 2.5kg !! ??

Go to Part 3 of section 23 of ......

Hazardous Substances (Classes 1 to 5 Controls) Regulations 2001

After having entered the above regulation name in the search section of .........

http://www.legislation.co.nz/browse_vw.asp?content-set=pal_regs
  
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.243Hunter wrote on Aug 29th, 2007 at 12:51am:
The above applies to smokeless powder in quantities of less than 15kg and when not for sale.  Basically a guy at home with powder for his own use.  I blieve that black powder tops out at 2.5kg !! ??



Black powder is a lower order explosive, where the substace detonates with a propragation wavefront less than a defined limit when confined and ignited, a Higher order explosive (TNT, RDX et al) has a propragation wavefront over that limit.
Propellant powders as used for firearms burn when confined and ignited but don't detonate, which may be why the lower Black powder limit.

"detonate" and "explode" have limited legal meanings and strictly speaking as I understand it, nitro based gunpowder doesn't do eaither, it just burns at a very fast rate.
  

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I don't know about the legal definitions but for the ones I was taught( they are from a very poor memory)
  Detonate -is where you get a blast wave with a velocity in the region of 9000 mtrs per second which causes complete molecular distruction .
  Explosion -is where the blast wave has a velocity up to 3000mtrs per second being caused by a rapid burning producing large quantites of gas,the production of which create a blast wave.
  
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Reply #10 - Oct 2nd, 2007 at 1:54am
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So as a young chap who can only afford 1 or 2 pounds at a time, storing that in the house is ok?
  
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As I understand it no powder in the house is really acceptable, not at least according to the regulations.  The insurance people might see it differently.  I'd guess it would come down to common sense, if you stored it by an open fire and had an accident it might take some explaining !!
  
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I questioned my insurance company about this, They took 1 day to get back to me as they where not really familure with this type of enquirey. I am with a larger insurance company too! Wont give out who. Anyhow... they where happy with my precautions, Ie.. Garage, not attached to main dwelling. After 15 minutes explaining to them what it is... hehe and the quintity and its burning nature they where quite satisfied. I compaired it to somone having 4 5L petrol cans filled with all sorts of mixtures and that the fire risk was the same.. and since it is not compressed or confined the resualt will be just a very very fast burn resulting on high preasure... blown out windows, bit of fire etc... nothing too different to when petrol ignights in a confined space. They have noted it on my record (What ever that means)?.

I asked the lady if I was now at a disadvantage because I declared it. She said, not at all, it just means that you are taking some very smart moves.. and it acually was +1 to me.

So what this means is that they know I have 500grams onsite, no more at any one time, and it is not stored in the dwelling. And it is used for recrational usage only. If it was comercial its a different story.. they charge you more in insurance, and also if it did cause major damage to your home you would not be covered etc..

Hope this helps.

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The "not attached to the main dwelling" is the clincher.   That is what the regulations require so the insurance really have nothing to argue with.

In my case I have the maximu allowable 15kg in the basement garage so it was a case of the insurers seeing common sense even though I told them the regulations say it has to be a seperate building to the dwelling.  There would be a lot of people these days that just don't have a sepearate building and if they did it would put the powder closer to the neighbours house than their own.

You are right though, better to tell your insurers and be certain of your situation.

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.243Hunter wrote on Dec 6th, 2007 at 1:23am:
There would be a lot of people these days that just don't have a sepearate building and if they did it would put the powder closer to the neighbours house than their own.

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I don't like the neighbour on that side anyway.....
  
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[quote author=Aquila link=1187553796/0#14 date=1196937615
I don't like the neighbour on that side anyway..... [/quote]

Smiley Storage sorted then Smiley

  
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Smiley Storage sorted then Smiley

[/quote]hi guys their is a lot to be talked about here 1 if you buy any more than 5 kg you are ment to have and  need a apporedhanders ticket as i found out the other day when i got another 56kg into stock . i use a expolvise magazine to store mine in but that now dose not meet the law any more . and a new mag is going to cost over $3000 dollars . my advise look around for a old safe line it with rubber abd ply and that will do .
  
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hi guys their is a lot to be talked about here 1 if you buy any more than 5 kg you are ment to have and †need a apporedhanders ticket as i found out the other day when i got another 56kg into stock . i use a expolvise magazine to store mine in but that now dose not meet the law any more . and a new mag is going to cost over $3000 dollars . my advise look around for a old safe line it with rubber abd ply and that will do .


So do you have the N560 back in stock then, Could do with some, will email...
  

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leathel wrote on Jul 24th, 2008 at 8:08pm:
45SOUTH wrote on Jul 24th, 2008 at 8:03pm:
hi guys their is a lot to be talked about here 1 if you buy any more than 5 kg you are ment to have and †need a apporedhanders ticket as i found out the other day when i got another 56kg into stock . i use a expolvise magazine to store mine in but that now dose not meet the law any more . and a new mag is going to cost over $3000 dollars . my advise look around for a old safe line it with rubber abd ply and that will do .


So do you have the N560 back in stock then, Could do with some, will email...

he has always had some but hes to mean to pass some around Grin
  
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hi guys their is a lot to be talked about here 1 if you buy any more than 5 kg you are ment to have and  need a apporedhanders ticket as i found out the other day when i got another 56kg into stock . i use a expolvise magazine to store mine in but that now dose not meet the law any more . and a new mag is going to cost over $3000 dollars . my advise look around for a old safe line it with rubber abd ply and that will do .

Have you got a document that clearly lays out the requirements?  Apart from a COLFO presentation I have I can't seem to find any one piece of verbiage that explains the regulations clearly and completely.
As it stands it appears any of us storing < 15kg powder for our use only need to store it in a secure place apart from any dwelling.  Retails appear to just need a certified moveable shipping container to store > 50 kgs for sale and have someone with an approved handlers certificate available when moving the stuff about or selling it.
  
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as with all insurance--- iff you take the piss you will get burnt----'pun intended'
1 tin will be at the end of the day be regarded as acceptable--------- commonsense †rules...!!!!!!!!
exterior storage to a dwelling is the only acceptable( i.e completely seperate) storage off excessive amounts--- which as far as insurance and the police are concerned is AN OPINION off the person you are dealing with at that time.........
the end result is that--- if you expose yourself to an unreasonable risk --- you may get an unexpected and unreasonable result if the shite hits the fan...!!!!!!!!!!!



ps --- dont forget the fact that †you can always go and get more when you need it ,,, which also gives you the chance to go and play with the toys in the gun room and all the other "goodies" ----- yeha and amen to that..!!!!!! Grin
  
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Legislation for those wanting the law, not factsheets.

Explosives Act 1957

http://gpacts.knowledge-basket.co.nz/gpacts/reprint/text/1957/an/019.html

Explosives Authorisation Order 1994 (SR 1994/5) (as at 03 September 2007)

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/1994/0005/latest/whole.html#DLM...
  
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Okay.. after reading this thread I can assume that I cannot reload because I have no dwelling separate from the house to keep the propellant, my garage is part of the house with bedrooms over it.  That's just @#!%.  Blasted regulations.
  
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Okay.. after reading this thread I can assume that I cannot reload because I have no dwelling separate from the house to keep the propellant, my garage is part of the house with bedrooms over it. †That's just @#!%. †Blasted regulations.

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oh  Embarrassed  The thread isn't very clear.  I understood that legislation required powder and so on to be stored securely apart from the dwelling.  I'm sure a pinch of powder and several primers will be as safe as the lawnmower gas down there  Wink .  Where is the info I missed telling me I'm free to have this stuff secured in my garage?
  
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Knowing insurance companies and the fact that they will use any reason they can not to pay out on a policy I would get there OK for storage in your house in writing from them.

Wouldn't want to find out later that the claims deparment say no you broke the law and we ain't paying.
  

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I just re read the firearm code. So you cant have the gun powder stored in the house. got to be seperate build. so even if the insurance guy say its okay, but law wise you still breaking the law right? Stupid if you ask me.

Might have to store it in the boot of my car since its a seperate building to the house itself and its locked in the boot..  Roll Eyes
  
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I just re read the firearm code. So you cant have the gun powder stored in the house. got to be seperate build.  †Roll Eyes


I still havent found that part of a code or law..... any links?
  
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Page 26, arms code:

"It is illegal to store any propellant powders in a house.
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This is involved in the explosives regulations, which is now covered under the HSNO Act I believe under the section on storage of Class 1 Hazardous Goods.

Basically, you are committing an offense under this legislation if you allow your dwelling house, or any structure attached to your dwelling house, to be used for the storage of Class 1 materials.  Under this legislation there is also no non-notifiable or consumer-commodity or 'small-packet' limit, whatever you want to call it.  Any amount of Class 1 is a notifiable substance unless it is used in the structure or safety systems of a vehicle apparently (airbags)...  This also includes flares, 5th Nov fireworks etc etc etc.

There are design standards that need to be enforced on the storage of Class 1.4 which is basically what ammunition is, regarding the use of suitable locks, gas paths to prevent the storage container turning into a bomb if the C1.4 gets cracking blah blah.

Basically no storage in a dwelling house of any DG's unless it meets the maximum size limit of amounts for consumer commodities...  Sorry but that means no Ammo or Powder or Primers stored in the house!!!
  
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So its possible to have no insurance payout if your house burnt down, even though the powder wasn't the initiator. I do not have a separate dwelling as well. I suppose I could bury it in the garden for safe keeping.
  

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Bang on. Same for many things though. Insurance companies will negate your claim at any chance. For example someone that takes the speed limiter out of their engine isn't elligible for insurance if they crash etc. doesn't matter if you were doing 10kph or 500
  

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Ask the insurance company, and if they allow it get it in writing and signed with as much information regarding quantities etc I reckon.

With the amount of burglaries that happen in student flats here in Chch, I definitely won't be wanting to keep the powder in a locked shed unless I have to.
  
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If you copy and paste this link on to your browser it will take you to the police website where you can download a "pdf" version of what you need to know to get your firearms license in New Zealand and it states really clearly that keeping any gun powder used for reloading in a house or any adjoining  building  is ILLEGAL it must be kept in a garden shed or something of the sort. Hope this helps

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Lewie wrote on Sep 10th, 2011 at 8:53am:
Ask the insurance company, and if they allow it get it in writing and signed with as much information regarding quantities etc I reckon.

With the amount of burglaries that happen in student flats here in Chch, I definitely won't be wanting to keep the powder in a locked shed unless I have to.


You can have a signed letter from every person in the company up to and including the director of the insurance company saying yes you can store it in your house. but if your house burns down and had powder inside then they will simply point to the section of the law that says its illegal and wont pay you out.That signed letter wont much zip in a law case.Not somethign you would really want to put to the test with that amount of money and your families wellbeing at stake is it.  Unless you reload every single night, if you cannot store it at home you surely can find elswhere to store it.Just a bit more of a pain in the ass.
  

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just chuck it in an old unused fridge in a garden shed, keeps temp even so no condensation, realistically who is going to steal powder when there is a lawn mower sitting in front of the old fridge which is ten times easier to sell
  
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Guys,

You have several pieces of legislation with which to comply.

1)† The HASNO Act (1996), Regulations for which stipulate the amount of powder and safety cartridges you can store at a given site.† Tis covers all of New Zealand.

2) District Plans, made under the RMA (1991) which also has a say in this.† It deals more with what goes on where within a given territorial local authority (TLA) area.

3)† Some TLAs have quantities for each specified under older legislation because they have not yet adopted to or made changes to comply with more recent legislation.† These quantities depend upon whether you are in an area zoned "residential", "Industrial", "Rural" etc.† Only way to sort this one is to check out the District Plan for wherever you live.

When I looked into it late in 2012, Dunedin City Council was attempting to specify the quantities of black powder, smokeless propellants, and small arms ammunition you could store under its District Plan (DP).† The old one did not apparently know about black powder, because it did not mention it, and this implied a zero quantity could be stored in residential areas.† Not bad, considering the DCC also had the use of a cannon which it arranged to be fired on ceremonial occasions by the local black powder shooters, who perhaps lived outside the DCC area!

When I compared the proposed quantities with those set by other TLAs, there was quite some differences.† Most were still observing quantities implied and set under the old Explosives Act (1957).† Few were getting under way with what the HASNO At (1996) permitted).

This is a real dogs breakfast, you need to check each TLA for what is sets (there are now only 89 of them!).

4)† As we now know, Insurance companies are another can of works entirely.† Their figures are derived from heaven knows where, and we need to comply with those as well.† In some areas, under some policies, you are allowed a can of propellant powder in the house (for immediate use).† The rest must be locked away in a separate building.

Given the ease with which we suspect insurance companies can wriggle out of providing cover, it might be best to insist upon a written statement from the insurance firm, specific to your household insurance policy, and stick to that.

5) Sorry for the run around here, but as you can see there are three or four pieces of law which must be followed.

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Reply #39 - Nov 17th, 2013 at 1:30am
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i asked EPA this very question about storage of powder a few months back this is the reply i got.

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Small arms ammunitions (safety ammunition) of class 1.4S is only required to be stored under lock and key in a cool, dry place, and must be stored separately from firearms. Smokeless powder of class 1.3C must also be stored under lock and key in a cool, dry place when in quantities below 15 kg (net explosive quantity). Beyond this quantity, other regulatory controls come into force requiring the person storing the substance to possess an approved handler certificate and to establish a hazardous substance location at the place where the substance is stored.



There may also be requirements under the Arms Act 1983 which you may need to meet.



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Note he says "there may be other requirements under the Arms Act 1983 regarding storage" i went through it and there's nothing in there that says it must be stored off site. that phrase only occurs in the Arms Code Which we know isn't allways supported in law.

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1983/0044/latest/whole.html
  
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There is a catch-all somewhere in the HSNO Act that requires all DG's that are not covered under 'consumer commodity' or 'private use' limits (whatever you want to call them - this is things like spraycans of flyspray with flammable propellants etc) to be stored or transported separately to a dwelling or a space designed for occupation by a person.

A dwelling is obviously a space designed for human occupancy, so there is a bit of room for debate with industrial buildings where someone happens to sleep and the like but most houses, flats,campers, boats and apartments fit the description of dwelling.

Where this gets interesting, is with things like LPG gas bottles and Acetylene or petrol containers and the like, you can run into issues with having them in your van or car as that is also the passenger compartment.  I believe that there is a change or clarification in the works that if you carry those products in a vehicle for work they need to be isolated from the passenger compartment.  This would mean either a ute, or a gas-tight externally vented (and expensive) compartment. 

So far this doesn't look like flowing back to private as far as I have heard I guess due to enforcement issues, but this is the current trend and does effect us all as far as ammunition and powders and storage.

Basically, at the end of it - if you keep the absolute minimum on hand and try to store it outside of your house/attached garage etc in a separate dry and cool location you should be fine.
  
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mauser308 wrote on Mar 28th, 2014 at 9:56pm:
There is a catch-all somewhere in the HSNO Act that requires all DG's that are not covered under 'consumer commodity' or 'private use' limits (whatever you want to call them - this is things like spraycans of flyspray with flammable propellants etc) to be stored or transported separately to a dwelling or a space designed for occupation by a person.

A dwelling is obviously a space designed for human occupancy, so there is a bit of room for debate with industrial buildings where someone happens to sleep and the like but most houses, flats,campers, boats and apartments fit the description of dwelling.

Where this gets interesting, is with things like LPG gas bottles and Acetylene or petrol containers and the like, you can run into issues with having them in your van or car as that is also the passenger compartment.† I believe that there is a change or clarification in the works that if you carry those products in a vehicle for work they need to be isolated from the passenger compartment.† This would mean either a ute, or a gas-tight externally vented (and expensive) compartment.†

So far this doesn't look like flowing back to private as far as I have heard I guess due to enforcement issues, but this is the current trend and does effect us all as far as ammunition and powders and storage.

Basically, at the end of it - if you keep the absolute minimum on hand and try to store it outside of your house/attached garage etc in a separate dry and cool location you should be fine.


Powder and small arms ammo come under private use (unless you're selling it as part of a business.) As pointed out earlier no legal requirement exists under the HSNO act or within the arms act† for the storage of power with a net explosive content of 15kg or less to be outside or separate to a dwelling, only "That it is stored under lock and key in a cool dry place" in quantities above that however the other conditions come into effect (storage magazine Test certifier etc.)

there may however be local bylaws that have other storage requirements. Smiley
  
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Reply #42 - Aug 4th, 2015 at 1:29am
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So far from reading this thread I've been able to surmise the following:

Arms code appears pretty clear:
It is illegal to store any propellant powders in a house. It must be stored in a separate building, such as a locked garden shed

However, trying to find the specific law that makes it illegal appears unknown? For example what is the specific charge that you would be laid with for breaching this "law".
As you've said the Arms Act mentions nothing, as does the HSNO apparently. Well.. nothing useful.

Would be good if they allowed for certain storage provisions; it is basically impossible if you live in an apartment complex.

Definitely worth them reviewing the code & I am sure that there has been plenty of back & forth communication with the police on this subject (or has there been?).
  
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vorno wrote on Aug 4th, 2015 at 1:29am:
So far from reading this thread I've been able to surmise the following:

Arms code appears pretty clear:
It is illegal to store any propellant powders in a house. It must be stored in a separate building, such as a locked garden shed

However, trying to find the specific law that makes it illegal appears unknown? For example what is the specific charge that you would be laid with for breaching this "law".
As you've said the Arms Act mentions nothing, as does the HSNO apparently. Well.. nothing useful.

Would be good if they allowed for certain storage provisions; it is basically impossible if you live in an apartment complex.

Definitely worth them reviewing the code & I am sure that there has been plenty of back & forth communication with the police on this subject (or has there been?).


yeah Arms code isn't the Arms Act Smiley that phrase doesn't appear to exist in legislation. Smiley
  
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Check The Arms Regulations.
  
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Ruger260 wrote on Aug 4th, 2015 at 4:36am:
Check The Arms Regulations.

Thanks, I've since tried reading it (linked below). I have not been able to locate any information remotely relevant or useful however.
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/1992/0346/latest/whole.html

Is that the correct one?
  
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Ruger260 wrote on Aug 4th, 2015 at 4:36am:
Check The Arms Regulations.

i did.

nothing on powder or ammunition other than

Conditions relating to security precautions
(1)Every firearms licence shall be subject to the following conditions:
(a)the holder shall not put a firearm in such a place that a young child has ready access to it:
(b)the holder, where he or she has both a firearm and ammunition for it in his or her possession, eitheró
(i)shall take reasonable steps to ensure that the ammunition is not stored in such a way that a person who obtains access to the firearm also obtains access to the ammunition; or
(ii)shall ensure that, where the ammunition is stored with the firearm, the firearm is not capable of being discharged:


http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/1992/0346/latest/whole.html#DLM...

only requirements for small arms ammunition and powder under HSNO as stated by EPA (now under worksafe) in 2014 is:
" Small arms ammunitions (safety ammunition) of class 1.4S is only required to be stored under lock and key in a cool, dry place, and must be stored separately from firearms. Smokeless powder of class 1.3C must also be stored under lock and key in a cool, dry place when in quantities below 15 kg (net explosive quantity)."
  
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Reply #47 - May 20th, 2016 at 10:24pm
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When I was a young fella back in the early sixties I got into shooting black powder. I bought that powder from the Sports Depot in Willis St in Wellington. The man would go out the back and after a few minutes would come back out with the loose black in a brown paper bag. I'd take it home, put it into cans and shove it in my ammo locker which I then slid under my bed. At times I'd have up to fifteen pounds under that bed - and every now and then I'd think about all that powder sitting under there and wonder what would happen if it went off.
Now that I'm more sensible, I keep my powder in an upstairs room in my house - and I still wonder what would happen if it went off.
I never knew about the reg's - never occurred to me in all those years to look them up - I'm thinking the garage is a good idea.
And as a side note - I can tell you what it's like when half a pound of home made black goes off - it puts you fifteen feet up into the air and blows your eyeball right out of your head.
Burns all the hair off your face too.
  
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