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Message started by burger on Jul 13th, 2010 at 6:52pm

Title: bivy bags
Post by burger on Jul 13th, 2010 at 6:52pm
looking at getting a bivy bag but cant find ones like the army use. is there other brands out there ;)

Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by Cambo on Jul 13th, 2010 at 7:03pm
http://www.kiwidisposals.co.nz/items/?itemID=595

Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by Huntsouth on Jul 13th, 2010 at 7:05pm
Had a NZ Army bivy bag about 12 yrs ago - bit bulky and was made by Macpac under contract.
Have also a Huntec bivy bag which have used since mid 90's and works well on the tops from spring/summer to autumn. Therm-a-rest mattress fits down the sleeve and can store some gear at the top end.
It's a myth that you will be totally waterproof as condensation usually forms near the foot end but you stay pretty much dry and warm as long as you use a good quality sleeping bag. I have stayed on the tops in the Kaimanawa's and Lewis/Arthurs Pass over the yrs with no real issues.

Good luck.

Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by sidelock on Jul 13th, 2010 at 7:44pm
Hunttec make the best.

Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by burger on Jul 13th, 2010 at 7:48pm
where do you get the hunt tech  ones in chch

Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by landlock101 on Jul 13th, 2010 at 8:01pm
I use this crowd off ebay, they are fast and reliable. for under $100 nz you can have a new gortex bivvybag. I have never got condensation in mine even after 36 hours in the bag, they weigh around 700-800 grams and are very strong and roll up to F-all, just need to buy a $5 cram sack for it

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-USMC-MILITARY-GORETEX-BIVY-SLEEPING-BAG-COVER-BIVEY-/390217312759?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5adac3a9f7

Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by smiddy on Jul 13th, 2010 at 8:44pm
have a look on bivouac outdoor,  got my alpine research gortex bivy bag from them for $350 i think,  was on special down from $500

Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by TG on Jul 13th, 2010 at 9:53pm

smiddy wrote on Jul 13th, 2010 at 8:44pm:
have a look on bivouac outdoor, †got my alpine research gortex bivy bag from them for $350 i think, †was on special down from $500



I just bought the same one (OR alpine bivy) from Bivouac a couple of weeks ago. $319 if the sales still on

Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by tuidog on Jul 13th, 2010 at 10:22pm
Thanks for the link Landlock I have found my x-mas pressie that my mother in law can send over for me.

Saw one of the us army bags in use a few weeks ago. 3 of us camped near the Okarito swamp in our bivvy bags , me in a non breathble nz army bag,Roaring stag in a fairydown bag and Keiran in a us army bag. Fkn frezing cold night. me and RS had ice form between our sleeping bags and bivvy from thecondensation. we had to dry out bags out the next day in the sun. I was warm as toast RS froze his arse off and Keiran was snoring up a storm within 5 minutes of climbing inside his. no condensation at all inside his bag.

Definetly getting one cheap too at 27usd

Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by enforcer on Jul 14th, 2010 at 7:34am

landlock101 wrote on Jul 13th, 2010 at 8:01pm:
I use this crowd off ebay, they are fast and reliable. for under $100 nz you can have a new gortex bivvybag. I have never got condensation in mine even after 36 hours in the bag, they weigh around 700-800 grams and are very strong and roll up to F-all, just need to buy a $5 cram sack for it

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-USMC-MILITARY-GORETEX-BIVY-SLEEPING-BAG-COVER-BIVEY-/390217312759?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5adac3a9f7


bought one just now on your recommendation, hopefully it's as good as you say :) :)

Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by landlock101 on Jul 14th, 2010 at 7:07pm

Enforcer wrote on Jul 14th, 2010 at 7:34am:

landlock101 wrote on Jul 13th, 2010 at 8:01pm:
I use this crowd off ebay, they are fast and reliable. for under $100 nz you can have a new gortex bivvybag. I have never got condensation in mine even after 36 hours in the bag, they weigh around 700-800 grams and are very strong and roll up to F-all, just need to buy a $5 cram sack for it

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-USMC-MILITARY-GORETEX-BIVY-SLEEPING-BAG-COVER-BIVEY-/390217312759?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5adac3a9f7


bought one just now on your recommendation, hopefully it's as good as you say :) :)


the shipping is a tad expensive but it still works out to be a bloody cheap bivvy bag, shipping is pretty good to allways get them in about 10 days max

Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by Gordy on Jul 14th, 2010 at 7:28pm

smiddy wrote on Jul 13th, 2010 at 8:44pm:
have a look on bivouac outdoor, †got my alpine research gortex bivy bag from them for $350 i think, †was on special down from $500


Whats it like?

Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by MOG on Jul 14th, 2010 at 9:13pm
Hey guys,
I have a MONT Bivvi Bag, its pretty good, packs pretty small and it was the right price from my employer.

Earlier this year I utilised it as well as a Hootchie (Fly) to see out two mega storms, former cyclones, that smashed the QLD coast. It was epic in the heat and is just as good in the cold. I have used it in the Kindu Kush and that was lets just say f**king freezing less than toasty.

If you use a fly you can keep the Bivy bag off your face which will limit condensation. this is easy to achieve in the beech forest not so easy on the tops in the tussock...

The US Army bag is GTG I have seen them in action and for that price its a steal.

MOG

Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by ANT on Jul 15th, 2010 at 8:20pm
bazza87 on here has the US Army ones for sale. ;)

Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by BC on Jul 16th, 2010 at 8:30am

wrote on Jul 14th, 2010 at 7:28pm:

smiddy wrote on Jul 13th, 2010 at 8:44pm:
have a look on bivouac outdoor, †got my alpine research gortex bivy bag from them for $350 i think, †was on special down from $500


Whats it like?


They are great. They include a hoop that you can use to keep the fabric off your face. I've used mine in all sorts of conditions all over the country and its never failed. The only thing about a bivy bag is that if its raining you often get in damp, and get wet if you get out. I use a very light fly with mine and its a good combo. The fly and the bag weigh under 1kg.

Before:


10 hours later after gail force winds and rain all night (Ruahines, last Jan). Still dry.



Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by whereami on Jul 16th, 2010 at 9:10am
10 hours later after gail force winds and rain all night (Ruahines, last Jan). Still dry.

you managed to hang on all night then?????? :D

Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by primer on Jul 16th, 2010 at 9:13am
That looks pretty good.

Here's something new-
http://www.ferrino.it/en/homepage/products/TENTS/high_lab_114/bivy_hl_
Its breathable fabric.
I imagine even in the wrong climatic conditions it would condensate but its probably the best idea thus far.

Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by BC on Jul 16th, 2010 at 9:14am

whereami wrote on Jul 16th, 2010 at 9:10am:
10 hours later after gail force winds and rain all night (Ruahines, last Jan). Still dry.

you managed to hang on all night then?????? :D


Nup. That's when a bit of length comes in handy.

Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by chriscnf on Jul 16th, 2010 at 9:23am
That fly does look light...what brand is it BC ?

Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by BC on Jul 16th, 2010 at 9:26am
OR with the hoop in.


Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by BC on Jul 16th, 2010 at 9:32am

chriscnf wrote on Jul 16th, 2010 at 9:23am:
That fly does look light...what brand is it BC ?


http://www.basegear.com/integral-designs-sil-tarp-1.html

They are fantastic. 7oz.

Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by riverbed on Jul 16th, 2010 at 10:15am

Quote:
enforcer wrote on Jul 14th, 2010, 7:34am:
landlock101 wrote on Jul 13th, 2010, 8:01pm:
I use this crowd off ebay, they are fast and reliable. for under $100 nz you can have a new gortex bivvybag. I have never got condensation in mine even after 36 hours in the bag, they weigh around 700-800 grams and are very strong and roll up to F-all, just need to buy a $5 cram sack for it

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-USMC-MILITARY-GORETEX-BIVY-SLEEPING-BAG-COVER-BIVEY-/390...


bought one just now on your recommendation, hopefully it's as good as you say Smiley Smiley


the shipping is a tad expensive but it still works out to be a bloody cheap bivvy bag, shipping is pretty good to allways get them in about 10 days max


Are those US military issue ones from eBay the drawstring type or are they the type with the two zip system that has a net then your storm flap?  Seems like a mint deal.

Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by Chris Dore on Jul 16th, 2010 at 2:44pm
I use a VAUDE bivvy bago for around $150. Light, packs small and enough room to pop a day pack or similar inside to keep off the face. Spent a wet night in it and stayed dry, apart from the aforementioned entering and exiting of the bag.

Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by tripletwoee on Jul 16th, 2010 at 4:12pm

Quote:
I use a VAUDE bivvy bago for around $150. Light, packs small and enough room to pop a day pack or similar inside to keep off the face. Spent a wet night in it and stayed dry, apart from the aforementioned entering and exiting of the bag.

+1  8-)

Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by Huss22nz on Jul 30th, 2010 at 9:26pm
Are the us military ones still available.
and
How many guys have used them.
Looking for a good biv bag for spring.
cheers
Huss

Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by scottrods on Jul 30th, 2010 at 9:35pm
torpedo7 selling their 1man tent for $99 online now.

I have no idea what it's like but for that money it can't be brilliant, but it's not a lot of dosh if it's ok.


Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by Sako75 on Jul 30th, 2010 at 9:38pm
Got one on it's way from this guy. They seem to get a few in. Will let you know what it is like when it arrives. You will be looking at another US$33 for shipping

http://cgi.ebay.com/EXC-COND-US-Military-BIVY-COVER-Woodland-CAMO-GoreTex-/200480158473?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ead8c7309


They also have a Jap Battleship flag for US$80,000 if your interested

http://cgi.ebay.com/THE-BATTLESHIP-NAGATO-Ensign-8-3-x-13-Captured-Aug-1945_W0QQitemZ170512734417QQihZ007QQcategoryZ165600QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by Huss22nz on Jul 31st, 2010 at 7:26am
cheers Sako, will keep an eye out for your post

Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by primer on Jul 31st, 2010 at 7:54am
The Vaude one like the Macpac ones with wicking PU type breathable fabric - hydrphillic
Need a top up of durable water repellent some time. Though on a bag on a mat wouldn't be as often as a coat.

Have the Macpac Reflex. In the pack withe clothing and bag inside. Gear got damp but after a top up hasn't happened again.....yet.

The Gore-tex.
Bit of a battle over which is better but maybe depending on who sells the bivvy.
One thing that seems to be common is militaries use the Gore-tex(NZ Army switched over) and more extreme condition recreational manufacturers - thats the type recommended. It doesn't relly on the durable water repellent.
Probably Event etc also as its similar. Gore-tex though has a PU film for back-up whereas Event doesn't.
One site claims people have died due to Gore-tex though.
Hope it makes you feel more secure. Sleep well. :)


I am guessing thats when its real cold and wet outside and maybe then the wicking ones better or something?

For breathability they tested event vs the rest and event won. But breathability tests from other makers are either pure fabrication or fact as some now have higher rates than Event.

Toray Dermizax ZR is at a shocking 30 to 38000 rating.

Be surprised if Event was holding back its figures.

Surplus Gore-tex or genuine PFTE type at $100 bags plus postage is best buying and no worries unless it gets holed.

Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by bazza87 on Jul 31st, 2010 at 3:11pm
ive got afew in stock if anyone intrested these are brand new in packets $180 free postage nz wide

Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by 12 Gauge on Jul 31st, 2010 at 7:54pm
Does anyone have any experience with the Vaude Bivy Tent
http://www.equipoutdoors.co.nz/contents/en-us/p1006.html

Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by seventenths on Jul 31st, 2010 at 8:56pm
I use an ex-army one, love it and highly recommend it especially after 48 hours of Fiordland rain!

Bazza, are you able to post up some photos of the bags your selling, always looking for a second one.

Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by bazza87 on Jul 31st, 2010 at 9:42pm
no wories what is your email

Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by seventenths on Jul 31st, 2010 at 9:57pm
Just post some pics on here, it will be good for others to see aswell

Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by bazza87 on Aug 1st, 2010 at 3:53pm




Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by keen fella on Aug 1st, 2010 at 7:35pm

12 Gauge wrote on Jul 31st, 2010 at 7:54pm:
Does anyone have any experience with the Vaude Bivy Tent
http://www.equipoutdoors.co.nz/contents/en-us/p1006.html


Have got one and used it a few times in Arthurs Pass above bush line.
Great in terms of lightweight and low volume but downside is there is no room for gear and like its been mentioned regarding bivvy bags the tent has the same condensation problem.  
I bought a Vaude hogan ultralight tent that i use more instead now but still keep the bivvy tent for a rainy day....no pun intended !
If i had a choice over bivvy bag or bivvy tent go the bivvy tent, at least if the weather packs in you can sleep without the material lying on your face.

Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by primer on Aug 2nd, 2010 at 9:11am
The best is the observer from Carinthia.

Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by Sako75 on Aug 10th, 2010 at 6:44pm

Sako75 wrote on Jul 30th, 2010 at 9:38pm:
Got one on it's way from this guy. They seem to get a few in. Will let you know what it is like when it arrives. You will be looking at another US$33 for shipping
http://cgi.ebay.com/EXC-COND-US-Military-BIVY-COVER-Woodland-CAMO-GoreTex-/200480158473?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ead8c7309



Huss22nz wrote on Jul 31st, 2010 at 7:26am:
cheers Sako, will keep an eye out for your post


It was shipped on the 28th July and arrived on the 4th August.

All I have to do now is get out for a hunt in the rain. Probably be early September

Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by SAVAGE on Aug 10th, 2010 at 6:56pm

Sako75 wrote on Aug 10th, 2010 at 6:44pm:


All I have to do now is get out for a hunt in the rain. Probably be early September


Ponsonby early September  :-?.

Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by Kokako on Aug 14th, 2010 at 9:36am

Lots of options - comes down to personal preference, price and availability.



http://www.nemoequipment.com/nemo2010-gogo-tent




Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by Cowboy on Aug 14th, 2010 at 10:41am

Kokako wrote on Aug 14th, 2010 at 9:36am:

Lots of options - comes down to personal preference, price and availability.



http://www.nemoequipment.com/nemo2010-gogo-tent


I watched a programme the other night with a one man tent very similar to this(even same colour) however when i look at the vid for you link it appears this one only attaches to the bivvy, whilst the one i saw on telly was a tough nylon outer making the beam really rigid. it look fantastic. they called on the 7second tent but i can't seem to find it anywhere. kokako, you know of any other company's like this?


Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by Kokako on Aug 14th, 2010 at 11:38am

It might be this one as it has a fly:

http://www.nemoequipment.com/nemo2010-mio-tent


Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by Cowboy on Aug 14th, 2010 at 1:57pm
either way they look wicked. there's a long one so you can store ya gear down at your feet as well. shame i don't have 700bucks to spare. :-/

Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by yawn on Aug 14th, 2010 at 2:03pm

12 Gauge wrote on Jul 31st, 2010 at 7:54pm:
Does anyone have any experience with the Vaude Bivy Tent
http://www.equipoutdoors.co.nz/contents/en-us/p1006.html

I had one,Spent 2 sub zero nights in it then sold it. Condensation was bad,the inside was wet within 20mins of getting into it even with my face out.I had to cover my sleeping bag with a coat which was soaked by morning.Have now got a Macpac  with reflex after borrowing a mates.They are very good.

Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by Kokako on Aug 14th, 2010 at 3:58pm
Are you talking about the Alpine Cocoon?


Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by primer on Aug 14th, 2010 at 6:41pm
There's another Macpac one also.
Has a mozzy net.

Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by BC on Aug 14th, 2010 at 7:01pm
http://www.terranovatents.co.nz/products.cfm?cid=206

Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by primer on Aug 14th, 2010 at 8:04pm
Good idea having a ground sheet instead of using up the breathable fabric for that.

Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by yawn on Aug 14th, 2010 at 8:13pm

Kokako wrote on Aug 14th, 2010 at 3:58pm:
Are you talking about the Alpine Cocoon?


Macpac Cocoon  but not the Alpine . Has a diagonal hoop and insect mesh.I dont think they make them any more?

Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by Kokako on Aug 14th, 2010 at 8:42pm

wrote on Aug 14th, 2010 at 8:13pm:

Kokako wrote on Aug 14th, 2010 at 3:58pm:
Are you talking about the Alpine Cocoon?


Macpac Cocoon †but not the Alpine . Has a diagonal hoop and insect mesh.I dont think they make them any more?



Thatís the "Bush Cocoon" and Macpac stoped making it about 2004-2005. It's always the same; companies always can the useful products!!



Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by bazza87 on Aug 15th, 2010 at 10:02am
i got a new shipment arive of the army ones if anyone is intrested

Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by yawn on Aug 15th, 2010 at 10:56am
Yeah Mate thats the one.Bloody good bit of gear.

Title: Re: bivy bags
Post by primer on Aug 15th, 2010 at 11:58am
Yes them and Huntech no longer make that kind but they should.They are expensive.
Though maybe they used the cheaper groundsheet route it could be less pricey?
Always hard to beat the army surplus stuff too. ;)

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